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<blockquote data-quote="BigDon" data-source="post: 2924641" data-attributes="member: 107254"><p>The Eliminator is a complex video scope - not a traditional scope. This doesn't seem like the right direction for reliability, ease of use and weather/bush resistance. Small Lady, you've dived into the middle of a bunch of hard core shooters that are willing to spend real money to achieve more and more marginal improvements in results. </p><p></p><p>I've read every post to this question and your other post on fire arm selection. I view you as a practical thinker trying to make good choices on both products. What you can't easily see from your experience here is that there is an inherent bias running throughout the forum - that is a degree of experience or desire for experience with high end products and high end results. I don't see this as part of your objective. I'm guessing reliability, ease of use, practical pricing and fit for purpose as being more down your lane. </p><p></p><p>No one here has mentioned the practical realities of their suggestions. In my opinion there is no doubt that you need/want a second focal plane scope, rather than first focal plane. You're not here to be a 'Long Range Hunter'. You're here to put together a rig for your needs and environment. I've been there. For the most part, long range for you will be between 300 to 400 yards. With your 7 PRC that is essentially point and shoot. I seriously doubt that you'll be ranging and then dialing with your scope - so that trims a LOT of money off of the choices. I have NightForce ATACr's, Swarovskis, Zeiss, Leupold, Bushnell, on and on. If you have a laser range finder, you don't need the weight and complexity of first focal plane scopes - the whole FFP deal is using the reticle to detect range, and then dial to that new point of impact. Another point - in the denser woods and bush a 5x or 6x low range is a serious disadvantage - the field of view is too small at even the lowest setting. You've already said that you're smart enough to dial your scope down after you take a shot at a longer distance on higher magnification. Compliments! The worst attribute of an FFP scope is how small the reticle is - and how tight the lines are together on low magnification. Even the FFP users say this is a big problem, only offset best with a lighted reticle. I probably have 10 4.5-14 VX3 Leupold scopes in my safe. They are great. I have several 2.5-10x Leupolds - a great all around choice based on price, use, reliability, and ruggedness. Unlike most here - you're not dialing elevation for dollars. With a segmented reticle for hold over + a little shooting with it at spec'd distances, it's pretty much a no brainer. </p><p>It bugs me to see the number of people on here telling you the nuances of adjusting the valves on their Ferrari's when all you asked about was how to change the oil in your Pinto!! Trust me, $2,500 US is all you need to spend to have Great results and a Great user experience. The Leica 6 SFP (second focal plane) scopes are a great choice, Leupold is too. You really won't see the $$ differences of the more/most expensive brands based on your stated needs. </p><p></p><p>Just trying to offer some practical help here and 'keep it real'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigDon, post: 2924641, member: 107254"] The Eliminator is a complex video scope - not a traditional scope. This doesn't seem like the right direction for reliability, ease of use and weather/bush resistance. Small Lady, you've dived into the middle of a bunch of hard core shooters that are willing to spend real money to achieve more and more marginal improvements in results. I've read every post to this question and your other post on fire arm selection. I view you as a practical thinker trying to make good choices on both products. What you can't easily see from your experience here is that there is an inherent bias running throughout the forum - that is a degree of experience or desire for experience with high end products and high end results. I don't see this as part of your objective. I'm guessing reliability, ease of use, practical pricing and fit for purpose as being more down your lane. No one here has mentioned the practical realities of their suggestions. In my opinion there is no doubt that you need/want a second focal plane scope, rather than first focal plane. You're not here to be a 'Long Range Hunter'. You're here to put together a rig for your needs and environment. I've been there. For the most part, long range for you will be between 300 to 400 yards. With your 7 PRC that is essentially point and shoot. I seriously doubt that you'll be ranging and then dialing with your scope - so that trims a LOT of money off of the choices. I have NightForce ATACr's, Swarovskis, Zeiss, Leupold, Bushnell, on and on. If you have a laser range finder, you don't need the weight and complexity of first focal plane scopes - the whole FFP deal is using the reticle to detect range, and then dial to that new point of impact. Another point - in the denser woods and bush a 5x or 6x low range is a serious disadvantage - the field of view is too small at even the lowest setting. You've already said that you're smart enough to dial your scope down after you take a shot at a longer distance on higher magnification. Compliments! The worst attribute of an FFP scope is how small the reticle is - and how tight the lines are together on low magnification. Even the FFP users say this is a big problem, only offset best with a lighted reticle. I probably have 10 4.5-14 VX3 Leupold scopes in my safe. They are great. I have several 2.5-10x Leupolds - a great all around choice based on price, use, reliability, and ruggedness. Unlike most here - you're not dialing elevation for dollars. With a segmented reticle for hold over + a little shooting with it at spec'd distances, it's pretty much a no brainer. It bugs me to see the number of people on here telling you the nuances of adjusting the valves on their Ferrari's when all you asked about was how to change the oil in your Pinto!! Trust me, $2,500 US is all you need to spend to have Great results and a Great user experience. The Leica 6 SFP (second focal plane) scopes are a great choice, Leupold is too. You really won't see the $$ differences of the more/most expensive brands based on your stated needs. Just trying to offer some practical help here and 'keep it real'. [/QUOTE]
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