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Advantage of SilencerCo over Thunderbeast?
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<blockquote data-quote="KY_Windage" data-source="post: 1920221" data-attributes="member: 108082"><p>I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from anything, except making baseless claims. "Weight suppression?" Yeah, they have nearly caught up with what Banish has been doing for years (9 oz in 7").</p><p></p><p>You make a great point about all the other variables involved in accuracy comparisons. I can pretty easily equalize most of what you mentioned (although I'm not going to get a "machine" to do my aiming/shooting for me -- I am quite sure I can hold and shoot the same every shot, or if I do blow a shot, I know it) but one you did not mention is one that concerns me the most -- the change in barrel harmonics when you add or take away weight of the barrel, and especially at the muzzle end. Anyone who has ever experimented with a tuner (which is nothing more than a precisely moveable weight) on a varmint-weight barrel knows that slight movements of the weight in the tuner can make huge differences in the size of the groups the rifle prints consistently. Well, how could adding any suppressor not also affect the harmonics? But, if a suppressor just happens to put the harmonics at their optimum, how could letting the suppressor gain several ounces of weight not blow that optimum? Did you read the thread I posted where dozens of guys discuss the antics they have gone through trying to get the carbon out of their sealed cans?</p><p></p><p>Maybe I just got lucky and hanging any 9 oz suppressor on the .204 pictured above would reduce group size similarly. I have seen dozens of people post about their Banish/Varminter on various forums and I have never seen anyone say they were not happy with the accuracy, but who knows? After a lot of experimentation I (again) changed my load recipe on the 7mm I am shooting my Banish 30 on. The unsupressed groups got better but adding the suppressor no longer improves them (there appears to be no effect at all).</p><p></p><p>But, like I said, I see real serious shooters striving for the "sub-2 holy grail" with many different kinds of suppressors, including TBAC, all the time, and they cannot do what I can do. I think at least ONE TBAC somewhere ought to have to do that before they get to claim they have "unsurpassed accuracy."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KY_Windage, post: 1920221, member: 108082"] I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from anything, except making baseless claims. "Weight suppression?" Yeah, they have nearly caught up with what Banish has been doing for years (9 oz in 7"). You make a great point about all the other variables involved in accuracy comparisons. I can pretty easily equalize most of what you mentioned (although I'm not going to get a "machine" to do my aiming/shooting for me -- I am quite sure I can hold and shoot the same every shot, or if I do blow a shot, I know it) but one you did not mention is one that concerns me the most -- the change in barrel harmonics when you add or take away weight of the barrel, and especially at the muzzle end. Anyone who has ever experimented with a tuner (which is nothing more than a precisely moveable weight) on a varmint-weight barrel knows that slight movements of the weight in the tuner can make huge differences in the size of the groups the rifle prints consistently. Well, how could adding any suppressor not also affect the harmonics? But, if a suppressor just happens to put the harmonics at their optimum, how could letting the suppressor gain several ounces of weight not blow that optimum? Did you read the thread I posted where dozens of guys discuss the antics they have gone through trying to get the carbon out of their sealed cans? Maybe I just got lucky and hanging any 9 oz suppressor on the .204 pictured above would reduce group size similarly. I have seen dozens of people post about their Banish/Varminter on various forums and I have never seen anyone say they were not happy with the accuracy, but who knows? After a lot of experimentation I (again) changed my load recipe on the 7mm I am shooting my Banish 30 on. The unsupressed groups got better but adding the suppressor no longer improves them (there appears to be no effect at all). But, like I said, I see real serious shooters striving for the "sub-2 holy grail" with many different kinds of suppressors, including TBAC, all the time, and they cannot do what I can do. I think at least ONE TBAC somewhere ought to have to do that before they get to claim they have "unsurpassed accuracy." [/QUOTE]
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