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Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings
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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 703796" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>Dan,</p><p></p><p>With all due respect, I think you need to go back and reread the thread. I get this is a LR forum but the OP is trying to go LR with a scope that isn't perfectly suited for it and he is getting good advice on how to try and make what he has work. The OP has limited travel in his scope and is going to have a hard time getting out to the distance he wants to shoot so the suggestions he has received from multiple guys in this thread is to do just what you state, to use the rings to add 20 MOA of additional adjustment, yes I realize using a 20 MOA base or offset ring inserts doesn't give you a full 20 MOA of additional adjustment, which obviously means he is going to be using most all of his adjustment to have a zero and get to the distance he wants to shoot. To my knowledge nobody was telling him to center his scope with the rings, at least that wasn't my intent. The concept though is to try and get it as centered as possible while still being able to accomplish your goals. </p><p></p><p>The concept I was trying to explain about scope clarity, picture degradation or distortion is simply this. There will be some change for the worse when you reach or get near to the end of your turret travel (we are going to have to agree to disagree here because I have seen it in scores of scopes) and it is worse with mid level scopes than the scopes you are likely used to dealing with. But the scope he has is a mid level scope so it applies to his issue. So it seems beneficial and prudent to try to minimize it as much as possible even if it is minor. This is a game of detail and minimizing as much error as possible as you obviously know with your background. </p><p></p><p>Here is a good example. I may be able to get to a mile, lets say this is as far as I will ever shoot, by using all of my turret adjustment on a straight base and rings but to me it makes sense that the farther I shoot the more important it is for me to have the least amount of distortion and the most consistent turret clicks possible. This is simply because the target is smaller, mirage is worse, air quality becomes an issue as far as viewing small details, rangefinder error is greater, etc. So why not use the signature rings, or a canted base, to try to ensure that the distortion that may be found at the turret extremes are minimized? So for me I will always try to setup my scopes so they will be as close to center as possible for the farther distances I shoot. This may put my zero close to the bottom but I really don't care about that because clarity and even slight turret issues at 100 or 200 yards means nothing as far as a kill shot is concerned. But they will affect things more dramatically farther out. Most LR shooters I know never even check change in turret click adjustment all the way through so this whole concept is new to them, hence the reason I brought it up. </p><p></p><p>I will add 2 things that may put some perspective to this topic. I typically shoot big game to 1/2 mile or a bit over and seldom shoot past 1000-1200 yards for practice. This allows me to setup my scopes differently than guys like you that are at or over a mile which in my mind is more ELR than LR. </p><p></p><p>Much of my initial optics experience came back in the days when I was really into shooting LR with .22 rimfire and precision airguns. You think this game is detailed, the FT and LR airgun game is even worse! My point is simply that we were aiming at extremely small targets while using the entire turret adjustment just to get out to 150+ yards so we likely became more annal about distortion and other scope issues than even many of the LR guys here would. This experience transferred over to my LR big game hunting and may be unfamiliar or considered overkill by some but in this guys experience it is real and I try to account for it. YMMV</p><p></p><p>Scot E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 703796, member: 10832"] Dan, With all due respect, I think you need to go back and reread the thread. I get this is a LR forum but the OP is trying to go LR with a scope that isn't perfectly suited for it and he is getting good advice on how to try and make what he has work. The OP has limited travel in his scope and is going to have a hard time getting out to the distance he wants to shoot so the suggestions he has received from multiple guys in this thread is to do just what you state, to use the rings to add 20 MOA of additional adjustment, yes I realize using a 20 MOA base or offset ring inserts doesn't give you a full 20 MOA of additional adjustment, which obviously means he is going to be using most all of his adjustment to have a zero and get to the distance he wants to shoot. To my knowledge nobody was telling him to center his scope with the rings, at least that wasn't my intent. The concept though is to try and get it as centered as possible while still being able to accomplish your goals. The concept I was trying to explain about scope clarity, picture degradation or distortion is simply this. There will be some change for the worse when you reach or get near to the end of your turret travel (we are going to have to agree to disagree here because I have seen it in scores of scopes) and it is worse with mid level scopes than the scopes you are likely used to dealing with. But the scope he has is a mid level scope so it applies to his issue. So it seems beneficial and prudent to try to minimize it as much as possible even if it is minor. This is a game of detail and minimizing as much error as possible as you obviously know with your background. Here is a good example. I may be able to get to a mile, lets say this is as far as I will ever shoot, by using all of my turret adjustment on a straight base and rings but to me it makes sense that the farther I shoot the more important it is for me to have the least amount of distortion and the most consistent turret clicks possible. This is simply because the target is smaller, mirage is worse, air quality becomes an issue as far as viewing small details, rangefinder error is greater, etc. So why not use the signature rings, or a canted base, to try to ensure that the distortion that may be found at the turret extremes are minimized? So for me I will always try to setup my scopes so they will be as close to center as possible for the farther distances I shoot. This may put my zero close to the bottom but I really don't care about that because clarity and even slight turret issues at 100 or 200 yards means nothing as far as a kill shot is concerned. But they will affect things more dramatically farther out. Most LR shooters I know never even check change in turret click adjustment all the way through so this whole concept is new to them, hence the reason I brought it up. I will add 2 things that may put some perspective to this topic. I typically shoot big game to 1/2 mile or a bit over and seldom shoot past 1000-1200 yards for practice. This allows me to setup my scopes differently than guys like you that are at or over a mile which in my mind is more ELR than LR. Much of my initial optics experience came back in the days when I was really into shooting LR with .22 rimfire and precision airguns. You think this game is detailed, the FT and LR airgun game is even worse! My point is simply that we were aiming at extremely small targets while using the entire turret adjustment just to get out to 150+ yards so we likely became more annal about distortion and other scope issues than even many of the LR guys here would. This experience transferred over to my LR big game hunting and may be unfamiliar or considered overkill by some but in this guys experience it is real and I try to account for it. YMMV Scot E. [/QUOTE]
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