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<blockquote data-quote="RockyMtnMT" data-source="post: 1472238" data-attributes="member: 7999"><p>I think this is a great thread. Slightly edgy, but overall the ethics have been left to the individual.</p><p></p><p>One thing I gathered from reading all the posts is it sounds like there are quite a few long range hunters that do not have the ability to practice beyond 2 or 3 hundred yards. In my humble opinion these hunters should not take a shot at a game animal past 4 or 5 hundred yards. That is a stretch at that. You can accumulate a mountain of data at short range that will likely not translate to long range. Published bc, scope error, starting vel, etc will all play a roll in actual poi at long range. I am here to tell you that bc will vary from one rifle to another with the same bullet. A hunter must shoot his own drops out beyond his intended hunting range and put in the time on the ballistics to make the drops match on the calculator vs real world. Sometimes it matches, but often it does not. If a hunter is taking 800y shots on game but only practices shooting at 200y it is truly a hail Mary shot. If a hunter is thinking they are proficient at 800y they better have spent a bunch of time at 1000y plus.</p><p></p><p>Also I can say that my wind meter does me almost no good on a 1000y shot across a canyon. We have a spot that we shoot rocks (I know) that most often needs double or more wind compensation than I can gather with the wind meter. There have been many times that the compensation is the opposite of what it appears. Left to right wind at the shooting position that requires a hold to the right to make shots land on target.</p><p></p><p>Someone in the thread mentioned the time of flight. This is the thing that has made me slow my desire to make long range hunting shots. Our longest shot on game is 1280y and several at 1000y +-. The one thing that I can't calculate or control is the animal. At 800y with a fast rifle that gives me sub 1 second time of flight I feel pretty comfortable. Past that I am less apt to take the shot than I was a couple of years ago. I guess it is just my progression as a hunter. That's not to say that I won't shoot that long again on big game, but everything will have to be perfect.</p><p></p><p>I think the point of this thread is well taken. This long range hunting stuff is not easy, and hunters that do not KNOW what their rifle/bullet combo is doing at range, should not play the game. Not ethics, just is what it is. </p><p></p><p>Steve</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RockyMtnMT, post: 1472238, member: 7999"] I think this is a great thread. Slightly edgy, but overall the ethics have been left to the individual. One thing I gathered from reading all the posts is it sounds like there are quite a few long range hunters that do not have the ability to practice beyond 2 or 3 hundred yards. In my humble opinion these hunters should not take a shot at a game animal past 4 or 5 hundred yards. That is a stretch at that. You can accumulate a mountain of data at short range that will likely not translate to long range. Published bc, scope error, starting vel, etc will all play a roll in actual poi at long range. I am here to tell you that bc will vary from one rifle to another with the same bullet. A hunter must shoot his own drops out beyond his intended hunting range and put in the time on the ballistics to make the drops match on the calculator vs real world. Sometimes it matches, but often it does not. If a hunter is taking 800y shots on game but only practices shooting at 200y it is truly a hail Mary shot. If a hunter is thinking they are proficient at 800y they better have spent a bunch of time at 1000y plus. Also I can say that my wind meter does me almost no good on a 1000y shot across a canyon. We have a spot that we shoot rocks (I know) that most often needs double or more wind compensation than I can gather with the wind meter. There have been many times that the compensation is the opposite of what it appears. Left to right wind at the shooting position that requires a hold to the right to make shots land on target. Someone in the thread mentioned the time of flight. This is the thing that has made me slow my desire to make long range hunting shots. Our longest shot on game is 1280y and several at 1000y +-. The one thing that I can't calculate or control is the animal. At 800y with a fast rifle that gives me sub 1 second time of flight I feel pretty comfortable. Past that I am less apt to take the shot than I was a couple of years ago. I guess it is just my progression as a hunter. That's not to say that I won't shoot that long again on big game, but everything will have to be perfect. I think the point of this thread is well taken. This long range hunting stuff is not easy, and hunters that do not KNOW what their rifle/bullet combo is doing at range, should not play the game. Not ethics, just is what it is. Steve [/QUOTE]
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