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<blockquote data-quote="John Burns" data-source="post: 194053" data-attributes="member: 2164"><p>Shawn Carlock,</p><p></p><p>I was there and I do know Len hit that bull perfectly on the top of the shoulder. </p><p></p><p>What I don't understand is how anyone can watch that video and have any doubt?</p><p></p><p>The front end of the bull begins to collapse before his butt hits the ground. Anyone with any experience knows the back end always folds up first. This is basic physiology of any four legged animal. The rear legs are held by muscle and the front end is inline bone. The back end always hits the ground first. </p><p></p><p>There are at least 10 other examples of this through out the video.</p><p></p><p>As for "blood streaming from a spot about 10-12" forward of the pelvis and a good distance back from the shoulder" I don't know what you are referring to in that statement. I know there was no blood streaming from this side of the elk and I can't see any in the video.</p><p></p><p>Having seen my fair share of elk killed I have never witnessed in real life nor on video a gut shot that drop the elk on the spot. Hits to the spine behind the diaphragm leave the front legs able to support the front end of the animal for a while and the animal will travel a short distance pulling the disabled rear end. This is clearly not the case as this bull has lost control of everything from his shoulders back. He can only move his head up and down a few times before he expires on the spot he was shot.</p><p></p><p>According to your web site you are also filming hunts. Do you have any video of an elk hit on the top of the shoulder that the rear end did not collapse first?</p><p></p><p>I really am interested because I am sort of dumfounded that anyone could see the same video I see and think it was anything but a perfect hit. I guess what I mean is that "Beyond Belief" is far from perfect and there are certainly mistakes but this is one criticism that caught me by surprise.</p><p></p><p>Royinidaho,</p><p></p><p>Yes the bull was looking at us. We had to move out of the timber to the left and he saw something while we were setting up. </p><p></p><p>I have used the Whoop on Idaho elk and it worked there also. I am completely incompetent at whistling so that is just not an option for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Burns, post: 194053, member: 2164"] Shawn Carlock, I was there and I do know Len hit that bull perfectly on the top of the shoulder. What I don’t understand is how anyone can watch that video and have any doubt? The front end of the bull begins to collapse before his butt hits the ground. Anyone with any experience knows the back end always folds up first. This is basic physiology of any four legged animal. The rear legs are held by muscle and the front end is inline bone. The back end always hits the ground first. There are at least 10 other examples of this through out the video. As for “blood streaming from a spot about 10-12” forward of the pelvis and a good distance back from the shoulder” I don’t know what you are referring to in that statement. I know there was no blood streaming from this side of the elk and I can’t see any in the video. Having seen my fair share of elk killed I have never witnessed in real life nor on video a gut shot that drop the elk on the spot. Hits to the spine behind the diaphragm leave the front legs able to support the front end of the animal for a while and the animal will travel a short distance pulling the disabled rear end. This is clearly not the case as this bull has lost control of everything from his shoulders back. He can only move his head up and down a few times before he expires on the spot he was shot. According to your web site you are also filming hunts. Do you have any video of an elk hit on the top of the shoulder that the rear end did not collapse first? I really am interested because I am sort of dumfounded that anyone could see the same video I see and think it was anything but a perfect hit. I guess what I mean is that “Beyond Belief” is far from perfect and there are certainly mistakes but this is one criticism that caught me by surprise. Royinidaho, Yes the bull was looking at us. We had to move out of the timber to the left and he saw something while we were setting up. I have used the Whoop on Idaho elk and it worked there also. I am completely incompetent at whistling so that is just not an option for me. [/QUOTE]
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