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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Eichele" data-source="post: 577774" data-attributes="member: 1007"><p>Well John, youre right. I can't always make a first round hit at extreme ranges. Do you know how I know that? Because I shoot alot of paper targets. I set up and shoot regardless of the conditions. Why? Because I have NOTHING to loose. This allows me to actually KNOW my limits and to know what good conditions/bad conditions are and what bad conditions are when they look like good conditions.</p><p></p><p>Hunting is different. Unless there is a real need to take a shot I am not 100% sure I can make, I dont take it. I pass alot of shots and will continue to do so if things are not right. If I took shots I was not comfortable with then I am sure things would be different and my record would suck. So what if conditions are not always right. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. I take the good shots and pass the bad. This is the reason my record is as good as it is.</p><p></p><p>I can think of two occasions since Y2K that I have missed on the 1st shot (not counting a 133 yard off hand shot). In both cases, the end result was still 2 dead animals and they were both clean. One was a miss-jugment of wind and the other was an angle steep enough and a distance far enough that a 7 degree error caused a high hit. Even your warbird may or may not have helped in this case. It would have been closer but not close enough. Honestly, I was not comfortable with the shot but had no choice to take it since my buddy had wounded it already. A less than perfect opportunity was better than letting him suffer. The third shot dropped him and for good. Now 702 yard is not that far. Its getting there, but for the conditions it was a shot I am very proud of. So yes, you're right.....</p><p></p><p>Aside from those two, my record is clean. Before you laugh, just remember, I am also VERY picky about which shots I take and which ones I pass. We are under enough scruitiny and are accused of poor ethics by many other hunters. The last thing I will ever do is prove those people right by taking less than ideal shots and wounding/loosing game.</p><p></p><p>I am not trying to toot may own horn here. There are MANY users here that can do the same and quite a few that could put myself to shame. Either way, I think you would be suprised how often myself and others do make 1st round hits at distance be it at the range or in the field.</p><p></p><p>Do yourself a favor and get some of Shawn's DVD's. You can first hand witness 1st round kills at distances that will blow your mind. Distances I can't compete with. 1st round hit in this community are more common that you think.</p><p></p><p>I look forward to seeing your new rifle and honestly wish it and you success. Please keep us posted. If there is anything we can do to help, let us know.</p><p></p><p>Michael</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael Eichele, post: 577774, member: 1007"] Well John, youre right. I can't always make a first round hit at extreme ranges. Do you know how I know that? Because I shoot alot of paper targets. I set up and shoot regardless of the conditions. Why? Because I have NOTHING to loose. This allows me to actually KNOW my limits and to know what good conditions/bad conditions are and what bad conditions are when they look like good conditions. Hunting is different. Unless there is a real need to take a shot I am not 100% sure I can make, I dont take it. I pass alot of shots and will continue to do so if things are not right. If I took shots I was not comfortable with then I am sure things would be different and my record would suck. So what if conditions are not always right. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. I take the good shots and pass the bad. This is the reason my record is as good as it is. I can think of two occasions since Y2K that I have missed on the 1st shot (not counting a 133 yard off hand shot). In both cases, the end result was still 2 dead animals and they were both clean. One was a miss-jugment of wind and the other was an angle steep enough and a distance far enough that a 7 degree error caused a high hit. Even your warbird may or may not have helped in this case. It would have been closer but not close enough. Honestly, I was not comfortable with the shot but had no choice to take it since my buddy had wounded it already. A less than perfect opportunity was better than letting him suffer. The third shot dropped him and for good. Now 702 yard is not that far. Its getting there, but for the conditions it was a shot I am very proud of. So yes, you're right..... Aside from those two, my record is clean. Before you laugh, just remember, I am also VERY picky about which shots I take and which ones I pass. We are under enough scruitiny and are accused of poor ethics by many other hunters. The last thing I will ever do is prove those people right by taking less than ideal shots and wounding/loosing game. I am not trying to toot may own horn here. There are MANY users here that can do the same and quite a few that could put myself to shame. Either way, I think you would be suprised how often myself and others do make 1st round hits at distance be it at the range or in the field. Do yourself a favor and get some of Shawn's DVD's. You can first hand witness 1st round kills at distances that will blow your mind. Distances I can't compete with. 1st round hit in this community are more common that you think. I look forward to seeing your new rifle and honestly wish it and you success. Please keep us posted. If there is anything we can do to help, let us know. Michael [/QUOTE]
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