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<blockquote data-quote="Alibiiv" data-source="post: 1507556" data-attributes="member: 69192"><p>Wow I guess I ruffled some feathers with this post. I suspected that I would. Now it proba could be that the Maine black bears are tougher than they are in your neck of the woods. Probably why most of the guides in Maine like the 45-70s and the Whelen! I am not going to get into a p-----g contest here with you about what caliber is the most deadly caliber on the planet. If you think that the .243, 87grain bullet is an adequate cartridge,on a 300lb black bear at 300yds, then by all means that is what you ought to hunt with! We all have opinions, apparently I am a minority here (Capt RB and yours) about the .243 caliber and its capabilities. The most devastation that I have ever seen was from a 6.5 RemMag on a large doe that I shot at 280 yards with a 140gr Nosler bullet. When I field dressed the animal, the insides ran out of the cavity. With that said, it doesn't mean that I am going to hunt everything on the planet with it. There are famous big game hunters who have written about killing everything on this planet with a .270, and others who have claimed to have killed every possible animal that there is to hunt with the .303 British and the 6.5X55 Swede, <u><em>THAT</em></u> doesn't make them the best caliber to hunt these animals with. And "yes" the fat on a black bear will eat the the energy of a 120gr bullet going 2800fps. What I wrote about the 165gr Sierra bullet from the 300WSM is a true story. We recovered the bullet when we dressed the bear out. The bullet came out looking like the poster child for the perfect mushroom/expansion of a bullet, trouble is that it lost all of its penetration and stopped far shorter than it should have. That bear was tracked for a good part of the day before it was recovered. From the angle that it was shot at, one would think that his was a perfect shot, and...it would have been if it was a 180 grain or heavier bullet instead of the 165, the shot was less than 100 yards; probably 50-60 yards. And....maybe the 120 gr, 7X57 will get the job done, but I do know that the 150 or 160 grain bullet out of that same caliber WILL do a better job with a lot less of "maybe"! One last thing about hunting black bear in Maine. The shots are not long, the shots are usually over bait that is placed in heavily wooded areas with shooting lanes. If you shoot a bear, it does not go down quickly, gets into the thick woods, and you don't have a through and through blood shot, you have a tracking nightmare on your hands. One more last thing. I would like to tell you that I really like reading about fathers taking their kids out hunting, its one of the best gifts a parent can give. I work with inner-city kids, for most this is a gift that they will never receive or experience. My son is now 50 years old, we have been hunting since he was 15, and our hunting trips are still the highlight of our lives. We are planning our next trip while we are on our present one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alibiiv, post: 1507556, member: 69192"] Wow I guess I ruffled some feathers with this post. I suspected that I would. Now it proba could be that the Maine black bears are tougher than they are in your neck of the woods. Probably why most of the guides in Maine like the 45-70s and the Whelen! I am not going to get into a p-----g contest here with you about what caliber is the most deadly caliber on the planet. If you think that the .243, 87grain bullet is an adequate cartridge,on a 300lb black bear at 300yds, then by all means that is what you ought to hunt with! We all have opinions, apparently I am a minority here (Capt RB and yours) about the .243 caliber and its capabilities. The most devastation that I have ever seen was from a 6.5 RemMag on a large doe that I shot at 280 yards with a 140gr Nosler bullet. When I field dressed the animal, the insides ran out of the cavity. With that said, it doesn't mean that I am going to hunt everything on the planet with it. There are famous big game hunters who have written about killing everything on this planet with a .270, and others who have claimed to have killed every possible animal that there is to hunt with the .303 British and the 6.5X55 Swede, [U][I]THAT[/I][/U] doesn't make them the best caliber to hunt these animals with. And "yes" the fat on a black bear will eat the the energy of a 120gr bullet going 2800fps. What I wrote about the 165gr Sierra bullet from the 300WSM is a true story. We recovered the bullet when we dressed the bear out. The bullet came out looking like the poster child for the perfect mushroom/expansion of a bullet, trouble is that it lost all of its penetration and stopped far shorter than it should have. That bear was tracked for a good part of the day before it was recovered. From the angle that it was shot at, one would think that his was a perfect shot, and...it would have been if it was a 180 grain or heavier bullet instead of the 165, the shot was less than 100 yards; probably 50-60 yards. And....maybe the 120 gr, 7X57 will get the job done, but I do know that the 150 or 160 grain bullet out of that same caliber WILL do a better job with a lot less of "maybe"! One last thing about hunting black bear in Maine. The shots are not long, the shots are usually over bait that is placed in heavily wooded areas with shooting lanes. If you shoot a bear, it does not go down quickly, gets into the thick woods, and you don't have a through and through blood shot, you have a tracking nightmare on your hands. One more last thing. I would like to tell you that I really like reading about fathers taking their kids out hunting, its one of the best gifts a parent can give. I work with inner-city kids, for most this is a gift that they will never receive or experience. My son is now 50 years old, we have been hunting since he was 15, and our hunting trips are still the highlight of our lives. We are planning our next trip while we are on our present one. [/QUOTE]
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