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7mm SWT vs. 7mm Allen Mag
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 191104" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>While your question seems simple enough, it really is quite compicated because if a customer came to me with that question, it would be followed by a volly of return questions to help me figure out what this potential customer really needs in a rifle to meet his goals for a new rifle.</p><p> </p><p>If you will not be shooting more then 600 yards, there is really no REAL reason for the added horsepower of the 7mm Allen Magnum. It certainly does not hurt at closer ranges, just makes hitting your target a bit easier in some cases but its not needed and it does have a shorter barrel life then the STW.</p><p> </p><p>If you want the ultimate in consistant 7mm long range power, there is no real choice, a 200 gr ULD RBBT loaded to 3200 fps in a 27" barrel out of the 7mm Allen Magnum is simply something that has to be witnessed to believe ballistically.</p><p> </p><p>A 160 gr Accubond loaded to 3500 fps in a 27' barrel, again, is a wonder to play with.</p><p> </p><p>That said, out to 600 yards, is it needed, not really.+1/2 mile, thats where the 7mm Allen Magnum really shines over its smaller brothers.</p><p> </p><p>Dies for the 7mm AM are more expensive but this is just a one time expense so I generally do not recommend to use this as a decision breaker either way. </p><p> </p><p>brass is much cheaper for the STW at this time if you can find it. Getting hard to find but it is still out there. Nosler will be starting to make STW brass soon as well but this will bring its cost much closer to that of the 338 Lapua which is the parent case of the 7mm AM. </p><p> </p><p>Brass quality, no contest, far in the favor of the Allen Magnum with the Lapua case.</p><p> </p><p>Formed cases, I offer formed cases for my customers so there is no need for the customer to spend the money and loss of barrel life fireforming brass. Costs a bit for the formed brass but case forming is no longer an issue for customers if it was a decision breaker.</p><p> </p><p>Rifles for a 7mm Allen Magnum will be slightly more expensive simply because of the modifications needed for the fatter chambering to feed well. If you want a single shot, really not much difference in price.</p><p> </p><p>Simply put, from the designer of the 7mm Allen Magnum, as mentioned, it is not for everyone, its not needed for may situations compared to the smaller 7mm chamberings. You have to decide what is needed to cover your goals for the rifle. Again, if you will never shoot over 600 yards, hell, even 800 yards, the 7mm AM is not needed, the 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm STW or RUM will all do this easily.</p><p> </p><p>If you want to shoot this range on heavier game or extend your range well past 800 yards and even well past 1000 yards, the 7mm AM will really shine and show its worth over the smaller 7mm magnums.</p><p> </p><p>If you just want to have the highest performing, practical 7mm around, the 7mm AM is pretty much there.</p><p> </p><p>Really it comes down to what you want to do with this rifle. I recommend lesser 7mm chamberings 2 to 1 over my 7mm Allen Magnum chambering simply because those customers do not need this level of specialized equipment to do what they want to do with their new rifle.</p><p> </p><p>My goal is to get them what will work the best, not to sell my Allen Magnum rifles. I only recommend them when they will be the best for the application at hand.</p><p> </p><p>Tell us what you want to do with the rifle and we will be able to offer you a better idea which would be better for you.</p><p> </p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 191104, member: 10"] While your question seems simple enough, it really is quite compicated because if a customer came to me with that question, it would be followed by a volly of return questions to help me figure out what this potential customer really needs in a rifle to meet his goals for a new rifle. If you will not be shooting more then 600 yards, there is really no REAL reason for the added horsepower of the 7mm Allen Magnum. It certainly does not hurt at closer ranges, just makes hitting your target a bit easier in some cases but its not needed and it does have a shorter barrel life then the STW. If you want the ultimate in consistant 7mm long range power, there is no real choice, a 200 gr ULD RBBT loaded to 3200 fps in a 27" barrel out of the 7mm Allen Magnum is simply something that has to be witnessed to believe ballistically. A 160 gr Accubond loaded to 3500 fps in a 27' barrel, again, is a wonder to play with. That said, out to 600 yards, is it needed, not really.+1/2 mile, thats where the 7mm Allen Magnum really shines over its smaller brothers. Dies for the 7mm AM are more expensive but this is just a one time expense so I generally do not recommend to use this as a decision breaker either way. brass is much cheaper for the STW at this time if you can find it. Getting hard to find but it is still out there. Nosler will be starting to make STW brass soon as well but this will bring its cost much closer to that of the 338 Lapua which is the parent case of the 7mm AM. Brass quality, no contest, far in the favor of the Allen Magnum with the Lapua case. Formed cases, I offer formed cases for my customers so there is no need for the customer to spend the money and loss of barrel life fireforming brass. Costs a bit for the formed brass but case forming is no longer an issue for customers if it was a decision breaker. Rifles for a 7mm Allen Magnum will be slightly more expensive simply because of the modifications needed for the fatter chambering to feed well. If you want a single shot, really not much difference in price. Simply put, from the designer of the 7mm Allen Magnum, as mentioned, it is not for everyone, its not needed for may situations compared to the smaller 7mm chamberings. You have to decide what is needed to cover your goals for the rifle. Again, if you will never shoot over 600 yards, hell, even 800 yards, the 7mm AM is not needed, the 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm STW or RUM will all do this easily. If you want to shoot this range on heavier game or extend your range well past 800 yards and even well past 1000 yards, the 7mm AM will really shine and show its worth over the smaller 7mm magnums. If you just want to have the highest performing, practical 7mm around, the 7mm AM is pretty much there. Really it comes down to what you want to do with this rifle. I recommend lesser 7mm chamberings 2 to 1 over my 7mm Allen Magnum chambering simply because those customers do not need this level of specialized equipment to do what they want to do with their new rifle. My goal is to get them what will work the best, not to sell my Allen Magnum rifles. I only recommend them when they will be the best for the application at hand. Tell us what you want to do with the rifle and we will be able to offer you a better idea which would be better for you. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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