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7mm Rem. Mag vs 300 Win. Mag
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<blockquote data-quote="Broz" data-source="post: 1068595" data-attributes="member: 7503"><p>To be frank, I like them all, have owned them all and have shot them all to 1000 and beyond. The 7 REM, 7mm-300 win and 300 win mag. In fact I have owned and shot 5 of the 7-300's in a variety of barrel lengths.</p><p> </p><p>I will list some of my own facts from my own notes.</p><p> </p><p>When I shoot one of my 7mm-300 win mags I get an advantage over the 7 REM of 9 gr more case capacity.</p><p> </p><p>The increase I have seen between the 7 REM and the 7-300 win with the same bullets and brass head stamp is between 100 and 150 fps. In a few cases more.</p><p> </p><p>I have never gotten a & REM with a 180 Berger to 3000. Not even on hot loads. Maybe others can. I have not. I would welcome the info or how to do this with a factory type rifle chambering, factory type throat, and no exotic coatings unless we were to offer these things to both the 7 REM and the 300 WIN.</p><p> </p><p>BUT, if a guy did , and we are hunting elk at 1000, why would we want to shoot 180 at 3000 when we can shoot a 215 at 3000? It's an elk at 1000 yards. I say hit them harder. </p><p> </p><p>My 300 win with 215's at 1000 yards has an impact velocity of 1949 fps and arrives with 1812 ft lbs of energy. These bullet will expand at that impact speed and beyond.</p><p> </p><p>My 300 win has taken elk at 1000 before, and several in the 850 to 950 range. It does it just fine with decent placement.</p><p> </p><p>If Travis says he gets a 7 REM Mag to 3000 fps, with a 180, safely I too trust him. Then he knows something I do not. Or it makes me wonder if again we are comparing same length barrels, factory type throats, or if this is a deviation like the +P or "Bore Rider" type throats? If so to be fair we need to offer both chamberings the same advantages. My testing was done with factory types throats and my 300 win is not even a long throat rifle. The loaded rounds -.040" off the lands have an OAL of 3.630"</p><p> </p><p>Recoil is a non issue for me personally. Either rifle loaded like we are talking would be better suited with a brake. Neither is a comfortable shooter for a day of long range practice without a brake. So brake them both, and I doubt anyone would notice a measureable difference from the same weight and stock designed rifles.</p><p> </p><p>Bottom line, how can they ever be the same? They are different calibers, they have different bullet offerings, and the 300 win case has 9 gr more case capacity.</p><p> </p><p>Jeff</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Broz, post: 1068595, member: 7503"] To be frank, I like them all, have owned them all and have shot them all to 1000 and beyond. The 7 REM, 7mm-300 win and 300 win mag. In fact I have owned and shot 5 of the 7-300's in a variety of barrel lengths. I will list some of my own facts from my own notes. When I shoot one of my 7mm-300 win mags I get an advantage over the 7 REM of 9 gr more case capacity. The increase I have seen between the 7 REM and the 7-300 win with the same bullets and brass head stamp is between 100 and 150 fps. In a few cases more. I have never gotten a & REM with a 180 Berger to 3000. Not even on hot loads. Maybe others can. I have not. I would welcome the info or how to do this with a factory type rifle chambering, factory type throat, and no exotic coatings unless we were to offer these things to both the 7 REM and the 300 WIN. BUT, if a guy did , and we are hunting elk at 1000, why would we want to shoot 180 at 3000 when we can shoot a 215 at 3000? It's an elk at 1000 yards. I say hit them harder. My 300 win with 215's at 1000 yards has an impact velocity of 1949 fps and arrives with 1812 ft lbs of energy. These bullet will expand at that impact speed and beyond. My 300 win has taken elk at 1000 before, and several in the 850 to 950 range. It does it just fine with decent placement. If Travis says he gets a 7 REM Mag to 3000 fps, with a 180, safely I too trust him. Then he knows something I do not. Or it makes me wonder if again we are comparing same length barrels, factory type throats, or if this is a deviation like the +P or "Bore Rider" type throats? If so to be fair we need to offer both chamberings the same advantages. My testing was done with factory types throats and my 300 win is not even a long throat rifle. The loaded rounds -.040" off the lands have an OAL of 3.630" Recoil is a non issue for me personally. Either rifle loaded like we are talking would be better suited with a brake. Neither is a comfortable shooter for a day of long range practice without a brake. So brake them both, and I doubt anyone would notice a measureable difference from the same weight and stock designed rifles. Bottom line, how can they ever be the same? They are different calibers, they have different bullet offerings, and the 300 win case has 9 gr more case capacity. Jeff [/QUOTE]
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