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7mm mag and bergers for canadian game
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 483741" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>CPGfan,</p><p> </p><p>This is the exact problem I have talked about on other posts. You come on here saying that the 105 gr 6mm Berger dropped a bull elk in its tracks at 80 yards from a 6-284 when fired at 3390 fps.</p><p> </p><p>OK, I have yet to see any 6-284 drive a 105 gr Berger to 3400 fps and get anything remotely close to accuracy. The 105 gr Berger and A-Max have a 3250-3300 fps velocity ceiling. Again, this is not opinion, this is fact from building dozens of these rifles.</p><p> </p><p>Someone that wants to get into long range hunting comes on here, reads your post of someone that got flat out LUCKY with this **** ant bullet that dropped a bull elk and figures this is the way to do things. Only problem, when he tries it, he gets the results that would happen most of the time. A gaping surface wound and the elk limps off never to be seen again. And why would that happen, because someone makes a comment on LRH that a 105 gr Berger will drop a bull elk at 80 yards when fired out of a 6-284 at 3400 fps.</p><p> </p><p>We have to be more responsible with the comments we make to those that are coming here to learn the responsible way to do things, not offer the "One time I saw" type of comments.</p><p> </p><p>You have been warned about the performance of the VLD in less then ideal conditions. Yet you still insist that if you get the chance to push this design you will do so in a heart beat instead of using a bullet that has been proven in all situations.</p><p> </p><p>That my friend could be discribed as a lack something upstairs. When I tell my little girl not to touch the stove because its hot and she does it anyway, I can at least see why she did it as she has no experience and does not fully understand why its better to depend on others FACTUAL experience from time to time. In your case, there is no excuse other then ego. If you have been warned about actual results from people that have ACTUALLY Tested these things in the situations they are reporting on and you STILL WANT to see what happens, not only are you hard headed, but your being disrepectful to the animals your planning on hunting.</p><p> </p><p>If you want to use a VLD bullet, go ahead. I use them all the time and they work great, just know when not to use them, that is most important. Know when to NOT pull the trigger. Not pull the trigger and see what happens. That is what gives the anti-hunters and anti-longrange hunters all their ammo. Generally it comes from lack of common sense, to much ego and to little experience. But as you said, to each their own, if you can not learn from others experience so be it. </p><p> </p><p>If you take a difficult shot and things go bad, I am sure we will not hear about it, or at least not the whole story, that is generally what happens if we ever hear about it.</p><p> </p><p>When is your hunt booked for so we can put a mark on the calander when to expect your video and report?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 483741, member: 10"] CPGfan, This is the exact problem I have talked about on other posts. You come on here saying that the 105 gr 6mm Berger dropped a bull elk in its tracks at 80 yards from a 6-284 when fired at 3390 fps. OK, I have yet to see any 6-284 drive a 105 gr Berger to 3400 fps and get anything remotely close to accuracy. The 105 gr Berger and A-Max have a 3250-3300 fps velocity ceiling. Again, this is not opinion, this is fact from building dozens of these rifles. Someone that wants to get into long range hunting comes on here, reads your post of someone that got flat out LUCKY with this **** ant bullet that dropped a bull elk and figures this is the way to do things. Only problem, when he tries it, he gets the results that would happen most of the time. A gaping surface wound and the elk limps off never to be seen again. And why would that happen, because someone makes a comment on LRH that a 105 gr Berger will drop a bull elk at 80 yards when fired out of a 6-284 at 3400 fps. We have to be more responsible with the comments we make to those that are coming here to learn the responsible way to do things, not offer the "One time I saw" type of comments. You have been warned about the performance of the VLD in less then ideal conditions. Yet you still insist that if you get the chance to push this design you will do so in a heart beat instead of using a bullet that has been proven in all situations. That my friend could be discribed as a lack something upstairs. When I tell my little girl not to touch the stove because its hot and she does it anyway, I can at least see why she did it as she has no experience and does not fully understand why its better to depend on others FACTUAL experience from time to time. In your case, there is no excuse other then ego. If you have been warned about actual results from people that have ACTUALLY Tested these things in the situations they are reporting on and you STILL WANT to see what happens, not only are you hard headed, but your being disrepectful to the animals your planning on hunting. If you want to use a VLD bullet, go ahead. I use them all the time and they work great, just know when not to use them, that is most important. Know when to NOT pull the trigger. Not pull the trigger and see what happens. That is what gives the anti-hunters and anti-longrange hunters all their ammo. Generally it comes from lack of common sense, to much ego and to little experience. But as you said, to each their own, if you can not learn from others experience so be it. If you take a difficult shot and things go bad, I am sure we will not hear about it, or at least not the whole story, that is generally what happens if we ever hear about it. When is your hunt booked for so we can put a mark on the calander when to expect your video and report? [/QUOTE]
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