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7mm-08 max range on elk?
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<blockquote data-quote="Buffalobob" data-source="post: 330045" data-attributes="member: 8"><p>Like I said on that thread, " I don't often run my mouth about bullets I don't personally shoot and animals I don't personally kill."</p><p></p><p>I tried long ago with the predecessor to the AMAX (162 HPBT match) and at almost exactly that impact speed. The range was only 1100 yards but muzzle velocity differences cancel out the differences in range and it wouldn't even break one shoulder much less two of even a spike and a smallish spike at that. My understanding of the bullet in question is that the only change Hornady made was to put the tip on it, the core and jacket remain the same.</p><p></p><p>So yes I have BTDT. Won't ever try it again. </p><p></p><p>Whether the one hit wonder guy who had never made a post before and has not made any since killed an elk with an Amax and did it exactly as he says I do not actually know. And it does not actually matter much to me except that it suddenly appeared on a thread where it might cause a guy's once in a lifetime hunt to be ruined by selecting a bullet that is not likely to perform. So the way I see it some people did the guy a disservice by recommending a bullet that in my experience is not a good elk bullet The guy will likely spend upwards of $10,000 to go elk hunting and bad advice causes that money to be wasted and the once in a lifetime hunting trip soured. People seem to be very free with bad advice when it is someone elses money and time. </p><p></p><p>When you "run the numbers" do you have a factor you include for energy of deformation? The momentum calculation is only an accurate indicator for bullet of similar construction. If you lose too much energy through deformation you will need to use a correction factor. That factor can be gathered from your personal experience or that of others if they will know enough about bullets and physics to supply you with the needed details. Deformation can be anywhere from 0% to 100%. Think about a FMJ on an antelope it will give you 0% deformation losses. On the other hand shoot a varmint bullet at a gong and you will get 100% loss. The way I decide on the factor is to consider all of the bullets I have ever shot at an animal and then go and take them out into the garage and but them in a vise and beat on them with a 3# hammer. You can get a idea of relative deformation if you are consistent with the hammer.</p><p></p><p>So, if you want to kill an elk at long range with a marginal caliber and you are not one of the great masses of people who can always get the bullet placement that they desire then hedge your bet with a bullet that is not going to deform much or else has large amounts of momentum because of high sectional density. The only thing wrong with shooting animals with FMJs is that it is illegal otherwise you don't really loose much, maybe 10-15% of wound channel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buffalobob, post: 330045, member: 8"] Like I said on that thread, " I don't often run my mouth about bullets I don't personally shoot and animals I don't personally kill." I tried long ago with the predecessor to the AMAX (162 HPBT match) and at almost exactly that impact speed. The range was only 1100 yards but muzzle velocity differences cancel out the differences in range and it wouldn't even break one shoulder much less two of even a spike and a smallish spike at that. My understanding of the bullet in question is that the only change Hornady made was to put the tip on it, the core and jacket remain the same. So yes I have BTDT. Won't ever try it again. Whether the one hit wonder guy who had never made a post before and has not made any since killed an elk with an Amax and did it exactly as he says I do not actually know. And it does not actually matter much to me except that it suddenly appeared on a thread where it might cause a guy's once in a lifetime hunt to be ruined by selecting a bullet that is not likely to perform. So the way I see it some people did the guy a disservice by recommending a bullet that in my experience is not a good elk bullet The guy will likely spend upwards of $10,000 to go elk hunting and bad advice causes that money to be wasted and the once in a lifetime hunting trip soured. People seem to be very free with bad advice when it is someone elses money and time. When you "run the numbers" do you have a factor you include for energy of deformation? The momentum calculation is only an accurate indicator for bullet of similar construction. If you lose too much energy through deformation you will need to use a correction factor. That factor can be gathered from your personal experience or that of others if they will know enough about bullets and physics to supply you with the needed details. Deformation can be anywhere from 0% to 100%. Think about a FMJ on an antelope it will give you 0% deformation losses. On the other hand shoot a varmint bullet at a gong and you will get 100% loss. The way I decide on the factor is to consider all of the bullets I have ever shot at an animal and then go and take them out into the garage and but them in a vise and beat on them with a 3# hammer. You can get a idea of relative deformation if you are consistent with the hammer. So, if you want to kill an elk at long range with a marginal caliber and you are not one of the great masses of people who can always get the bullet placement that they desire then hedge your bet with a bullet that is not going to deform much or else has large amounts of momentum because of high sectional density. The only thing wrong with shooting animals with FMJs is that it is illegal otherwise you don't really loose much, maybe 10-15% of wound channel. [/QUOTE]
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