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700 SPS Tactical vs. Model 10 Precision Carbine
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<blockquote data-quote="westcliffe01" data-source="post: 874323" data-attributes="member: 35183"><p>My Savage 10PC in 223 (I know this thread is about a 308) has shot 0.5MOA summer, winter, snow, sleet, any conditions it has been fired in. I have not done any modification to it whatsoever other than loctiting the Warne one piece scope base to the receiver, which I do to all my rifles.</p><p></p><p>I have had a few Remingtons and have spend several hundred $ on each for upgrades and none of them has shot like my 10PC. It so happened that the predecessor to my 10PC was a 700SPS with the 26" heavy barrel..</p><p></p><p>In my opinion, Remington is still riding the coat tails of their past performance. Their product, out the box no longer compares, but most of the newcomers to the sport have been told the Remington legends. The Remington rifles I owned were not bottom of the barrel models, the "Classic" model I had was nearly $800 used and the 223 SPS was $550 used with a bipod. The SPS needed the stock changed, not only from a stiffness point of view but also to balance the heavy 26" barrel. Its trigger was acceptable when I got it (used) and all I had to do was get rid of the cheap chinese scope that was on it and fix the stock.</p><p></p><p>The Classic had little in the way of redeeming qualities. It had a nice looking but useless stock, terrible 8lb trigger that was finally replaced with a <$100 Shilen trigger. I got a varmint thumbhole stock for it at a modest price, and bedded it, but there was no way it was ever going to be even a 1.5moa rifle. </p><p></p><p>I finally traded it on this forum for a "basket case" Savage rifle in 308 that had a Shilen barrel and a rifle basix trigger and a good laminate stock. Found that the barrel had not been properly installed. A Remington recoil lug had been used with a small diameter anti rotation pin which prevented the barrel nut from seating against the recoil lug. $60 worth of nut and proper recoil lug later and the rifle was reassembled. Then traded off the rifle basix trigger for a stock accutrigger and shot my first 1/4" group while doing load development.</p><p></p><p>Life is too short to believe in legends. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. When every Remington rifle I bought does not shoot well, even after the application of quite a bit of work and $$$, and when it is so easy and cheap to re-barrel a Savage with high quality barrels, I knew what my decision was going to be. Each has to decide for themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westcliffe01, post: 874323, member: 35183"] My Savage 10PC in 223 (I know this thread is about a 308) has shot 0.5MOA summer, winter, snow, sleet, any conditions it has been fired in. I have not done any modification to it whatsoever other than loctiting the Warne one piece scope base to the receiver, which I do to all my rifles. I have had a few Remingtons and have spend several hundred $ on each for upgrades and none of them has shot like my 10PC. It so happened that the predecessor to my 10PC was a 700SPS with the 26" heavy barrel.. In my opinion, Remington is still riding the coat tails of their past performance. Their product, out the box no longer compares, but most of the newcomers to the sport have been told the Remington legends. The Remington rifles I owned were not bottom of the barrel models, the "Classic" model I had was nearly $800 used and the 223 SPS was $550 used with a bipod. The SPS needed the stock changed, not only from a stiffness point of view but also to balance the heavy 26" barrel. Its trigger was acceptable when I got it (used) and all I had to do was get rid of the cheap chinese scope that was on it and fix the stock. The Classic had little in the way of redeeming qualities. It had a nice looking but useless stock, terrible 8lb trigger that was finally replaced with a <$100 Shilen trigger. I got a varmint thumbhole stock for it at a modest price, and bedded it, but there was no way it was ever going to be even a 1.5moa rifle. I finally traded it on this forum for a "basket case" Savage rifle in 308 that had a Shilen barrel and a rifle basix trigger and a good laminate stock. Found that the barrel had not been properly installed. A Remington recoil lug had been used with a small diameter anti rotation pin which prevented the barrel nut from seating against the recoil lug. $60 worth of nut and proper recoil lug later and the rifle was reassembled. Then traded off the rifle basix trigger for a stock accutrigger and shot my first 1/4" group while doing load development. Life is too short to believe in legends. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. When every Remington rifle I bought does not shoot well, even after the application of quite a bit of work and $$$, and when it is so easy and cheap to re-barrel a Savage with high quality barrels, I knew what my decision was going to be. Each has to decide for themselves. [/QUOTE]
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