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6.5 PRC for Extreme Long Range Hunting?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gamesniper19" data-source="post: 1531743" data-attributes="member: 95013"><p>John</p><p>You make some solid points.</p><p>In keeping with the theme of this thread, hunting at extreme distances with 6.5 PRC, (my definition of extreme is anything >800 yards) its many things including bullet construction, case design, and speed/energy that help us decide what we want to shoot. The 6.5 PRC could kill an elk at 1000 yards if hit exactly where we aim, all else being perfect. It would not be many hunters first choice for an elk at that distance given the ballistics we all recognize. Medium sized game such as an Antelope or a deer, all day long.</p><p></p><p>I agree, accuracy is not dependent on case design, short or long. Its a factual measurement of bullet impact which can be achieved in all calibers and cases. A 1/4 minute gun is a 1/4 minute gun, no matter the case size or caliber, or its new/old design.</p><p></p><p>I am sure no one faults you for the short action or caliber innovation. Every caliber generally has a parent case and given there are about 6 modern bolt faces available, so "playing" with case size, shoulder angles, neck lengths, chamber depths, is the best way to create more efficient calibers. The science in shorter, fatter cases is proven through data that we can achieve the same velocity and ballistics with less powder and a lighter rifle. (a good example is the 300 RUM and 30 Nosler, same parent case, nearly the same velocity, less powder by 7.2 grains, and less of a barrel burner with the 30N) I happen to own both, love them both, and enjoy shooting the 30N more with less kick and equal ballistics. Efficiency is not a marketing campaign, it becomes marketing when the theory of the more efficient case is proven. Technology and new case design can be a good thing. Discussion whether we needed the 30N when we already had the 300 RUM, which I think may be your point, well that is another thread I am sure.</p><p></p><p>You make another good point about the ludicrous amalgamation of design that brought to market the Weatherby 6.5/300 which if it sells even 1% of all the market for 6.5 calibers, many would be surprised. Overbore rifles are finicky, barrel burners and OMG fun, but not realistic for most people's first foray into extreme long range rifles.</p><p></p><p>The 3000 fps rule is one that I recommend for hunting to maximize shock and energy. One could argue it is not needed in any caliber although what does it hurt. More energy = more opportunity for a one shot kill at any distance. There are times where the difference between 2800 fps and 3100 fps makes a huge difference in drop, ballistics, and time to target. Ill stay with driving every hunting rifle I can as fast as I can.</p><p></p><p>We all have tons of experience with years of shooting many different calibers. Some become favorites, some not. I think about the 6.5's from a first time buyers perspective. If someone doesnt have a 6.5, would we tell them to go get a 6.5 Swede or a 260 Rem, maybe... or PRC, GAP or CM? My sense would be the latter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gamesniper19, post: 1531743, member: 95013"] John You make some solid points. In keeping with the theme of this thread, hunting at extreme distances with 6.5 PRC, (my definition of extreme is anything >800 yards) its many things including bullet construction, case design, and speed/energy that help us decide what we want to shoot. The 6.5 PRC could kill an elk at 1000 yards if hit exactly where we aim, all else being perfect. It would not be many hunters first choice for an elk at that distance given the ballistics we all recognize. Medium sized game such as an Antelope or a deer, all day long. I agree, accuracy is not dependent on case design, short or long. Its a factual measurement of bullet impact which can be achieved in all calibers and cases. A 1/4 minute gun is a 1/4 minute gun, no matter the case size or caliber, or its new/old design. I am sure no one faults you for the short action or caliber innovation. Every caliber generally has a parent case and given there are about 6 modern bolt faces available, so "playing" with case size, shoulder angles, neck lengths, chamber depths, is the best way to create more efficient calibers. The science in shorter, fatter cases is proven through data that we can achieve the same velocity and ballistics with less powder and a lighter rifle. (a good example is the 300 RUM and 30 Nosler, same parent case, nearly the same velocity, less powder by 7.2 grains, and less of a barrel burner with the 30N) I happen to own both, love them both, and enjoy shooting the 30N more with less kick and equal ballistics. Efficiency is not a marketing campaign, it becomes marketing when the theory of the more efficient case is proven. Technology and new case design can be a good thing. Discussion whether we needed the 30N when we already had the 300 RUM, which I think may be your point, well that is another thread I am sure. You make another good point about the ludicrous amalgamation of design that brought to market the Weatherby 6.5/300 which if it sells even 1% of all the market for 6.5 calibers, many would be surprised. Overbore rifles are finicky, barrel burners and OMG fun, but not realistic for most people's first foray into extreme long range rifles. The 3000 fps rule is one that I recommend for hunting to maximize shock and energy. One could argue it is not needed in any caliber although what does it hurt. More energy = more opportunity for a one shot kill at any distance. There are times where the difference between 2800 fps and 3100 fps makes a huge difference in drop, ballistics, and time to target. Ill stay with driving every hunting rifle I can as fast as I can. We all have tons of experience with years of shooting many different calibers. Some become favorites, some not. I think about the 6.5's from a first time buyers perspective. If someone doesnt have a 6.5, would we tell them to go get a 6.5 Swede or a 260 Rem, maybe... or PRC, GAP or CM? My sense would be the latter. [/QUOTE]
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