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6.5 PRC for Extreme Long Range Hunting?
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<blockquote data-quote="johnlittletree" data-source="post: 1531098" data-attributes="member: 105653"><p>I am not sure that it will be a success Just because Hornady developed it and is behind it. Look how long it has taken for the Creedmore to really catch on in a meaningful way. Sure now everyone that builds a bolt action offers something in 6.5 Creedmore. I know I take a dim view of companies churning out new cartridges that do not offer much other than novelty in many regards......I am still ticked off by all the Ultra Mags and Short Mag's and Ultra Short Mags almost none of them have really stood the test of time outside of passionate gun nuts like us that do more than just pull the deer rifle out the day before season just to check zero. </p><p></p><p>Same thing with a lot of modern handgun chamberings mostly revolvers but it is all over the place and finding ammo locally for these things if you do not reload is not at all easy.</p><p></p><p>You can not "Eat your cake and have it too!" so you can either keep pressures low and not get the speed you want or you have to raise the pressure to get the velocity you want. They always promise the moon and then give you a moon pie! The real problem is powder chemistry. In fact powder limitations in cartridges is almost as batter as battery and charging limitations in all electric vehicles. On top of that the steel used in rifle barrels is garbage by today's standards as well. If you use a better steel cost goes up not so much becasue of the price of the steel but because of the shorter life of tooling and machine time goes up as well.So until the steel improves and the powders improve it is really 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. It is truly like a dog chasing it's own tail of a toddler trying to get away from it's own shadow! We need to develop more pressure but at a cooler temp.! We need more efficiency out of the powder so less energy is being wasted as heat. The heat and abrasion is what burns through barrels.</p><p></p><p>Until that happens all of the new cartridges are mostly smoke and mirror. The 6.5PRC is basicly a 6.5 Creedmore "Magnum". What is next another 6.5 Super Magnum from Hornady 10 years from now? It would be different if it achieved 3100fps with a 143gr bullet at lower pressures but it does not do that which was the entire point of the cartridge. When a cartridge can not do what it was invented to do that is a pretty epic fail. On top of that I wont get in bed with a cartridge if many companies are not making brass for it proprietary cartridges with only one source of brass as not a good idea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="johnlittletree, post: 1531098, member: 105653"] I am not sure that it will be a success Just because Hornady developed it and is behind it. Look how long it has taken for the Creedmore to really catch on in a meaningful way. Sure now everyone that builds a bolt action offers something in 6.5 Creedmore. I know I take a dim view of companies churning out new cartridges that do not offer much other than novelty in many regards......I am still ticked off by all the Ultra Mags and Short Mag's and Ultra Short Mags almost none of them have really stood the test of time outside of passionate gun nuts like us that do more than just pull the deer rifle out the day before season just to check zero. Same thing with a lot of modern handgun chamberings mostly revolvers but it is all over the place and finding ammo locally for these things if you do not reload is not at all easy. You can not "Eat your cake and have it too!" so you can either keep pressures low and not get the speed you want or you have to raise the pressure to get the velocity you want. They always promise the moon and then give you a moon pie! The real problem is powder chemistry. In fact powder limitations in cartridges is almost as batter as battery and charging limitations in all electric vehicles. On top of that the steel used in rifle barrels is garbage by today's standards as well. If you use a better steel cost goes up not so much becasue of the price of the steel but because of the shorter life of tooling and machine time goes up as well.So until the steel improves and the powders improve it is really 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. It is truly like a dog chasing it's own tail of a toddler trying to get away from it's own shadow! We need to develop more pressure but at a cooler temp.! We need more efficiency out of the powder so less energy is being wasted as heat. The heat and abrasion is what burns through barrels. Until that happens all of the new cartridges are mostly smoke and mirror. The 6.5PRC is basicly a 6.5 Creedmore "Magnum". What is next another 6.5 Super Magnum from Hornady 10 years from now? It would be different if it achieved 3100fps with a 143gr bullet at lower pressures but it does not do that which was the entire point of the cartridge. When a cartridge can not do what it was invented to do that is a pretty epic fail. On top of that I wont get in bed with a cartridge if many companies are not making brass for it proprietary cartridges with only one source of brass as not a good idea. [/QUOTE]
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