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6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?
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<blockquote data-quote="FIGJAM" data-source="post: 1530746" data-attributes="member: 71039"><p>I just have one last thought...I am one of those nerdy numbers guys. I am always crunching numbers, at work and even when it comes to ballistics. I believe that any kill comes down to energy on impact, bullet performance, and shot placement. We always talk about minimum standards for energy - you can run the numbers and see what they are, this is simple math. Likewise you can do some research on bullet construction and choose the ones that work the best for the type of hunting you want to do, which also feeds into the ballistic calculator. Shot placement is on the hunter, no number crunching can help with that, just trigger time and practice. </p><p></p><p>I have a hard time when people make claims or voice opinions as facts without being able to support them with real data. A lot of this is personal preference and I think the package these calibers are wrapped in, i.e. the custom rifle or the winchester M70 that dad left you when he died, or Sendero SFII in 25-06 that you busted your butt and saved your money for, or the first rifle you got as a kid that was a 270 win etc., have a huge influence in our preferences. We are all a product of our environment. </p><p></p><p>Just because you or someone you knew loses an elk with a certain caliber is not a reflection of that particular calibers capability. For example, my buddy made a **** poor shot on a bull elk while I was with him with a 338 win mag at 300 yards. The bull ran off. We followed it on horseback for a couple miles and finally shot it a couple more times to finish it off. So does that mean the 338 win mag is a crappy elk gun? I didn't draw that conclusion. My buddy has never heard the end of being a crappy shot though..lol.</p><p></p><p>I think it is just important to remember, we all have personal preferences, none of them are wrong. We just can't confuse those with real numbers and facts. If we agree on a min ft lbs of energy to kill an animal, whatever that number is, and a cartridge is capable of producing those numbers, then it is adequate. That ft lbs of energy alone should determine the cartridges effective range, based on the ballistic table and the energy stated at given yardage. Then we need to start to look at shot placement and other things that are in the hunters control. </p><p></p><p>I have hunted with many "experienced" hunters that can't shoot a rifle worth a ****.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FIGJAM, post: 1530746, member: 71039"] I just have one last thought...I am one of those nerdy numbers guys. I am always crunching numbers, at work and even when it comes to ballistics. I believe that any kill comes down to energy on impact, bullet performance, and shot placement. We always talk about minimum standards for energy - you can run the numbers and see what they are, this is simple math. Likewise you can do some research on bullet construction and choose the ones that work the best for the type of hunting you want to do, which also feeds into the ballistic calculator. Shot placement is on the hunter, no number crunching can help with that, just trigger time and practice. I have a hard time when people make claims or voice opinions as facts without being able to support them with real data. A lot of this is personal preference and I think the package these calibers are wrapped in, i.e. the custom rifle or the winchester M70 that dad left you when he died, or Sendero SFII in 25-06 that you busted your butt and saved your money for, or the first rifle you got as a kid that was a 270 win etc., have a huge influence in our preferences. We are all a product of our environment. Just because you or someone you knew loses an elk with a certain caliber is not a reflection of that particular calibers capability. For example, my buddy made a **** poor shot on a bull elk while I was with him with a 338 win mag at 300 yards. The bull ran off. We followed it on horseback for a couple miles and finally shot it a couple more times to finish it off. So does that mean the 338 win mag is a crappy elk gun? I didn't draw that conclusion. My buddy has never heard the end of being a crappy shot though..lol. I think it is just important to remember, we all have personal preferences, none of them are wrong. We just can't confuse those with real numbers and facts. If we agree on a min ft lbs of energy to kill an animal, whatever that number is, and a cartridge is capable of producing those numbers, then it is adequate. That ft lbs of energy alone should determine the cartridges effective range, based on the ballistic table and the energy stated at given yardage. Then we need to start to look at shot placement and other things that are in the hunters control. I have hunted with many "experienced" hunters that can't shoot a rifle worth a ****. [/QUOTE]
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