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6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?
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<blockquote data-quote="LDHunter" data-source="post: 1530705" data-attributes="member: 105"><p>Well.... I have a totally different take. I have always doubted the energy calculations and have always believed and see the results of larger calibers vs. smaller calibers but that doesn't mean I'm a proponent of the 45-70 or anything like that.</p><p></p><p>My experience working with an outfitter for 3 years and having been on several guided hunts for elk left me with 3 truths.</p><p></p><p>1. Learn to shoot and have some quality experience shooting game under field conditions.</p><p></p><p>2. Use the cartridge well suited to the game you're hunting.</p><p></p><p>3. Sometimes you do EVERYTHING right and elk are still not impressed.</p><p></p><p>Number 2 is what I'd like to address here. I've found that elk are MUCH MORE OFTEN impressed if you're shooting a 7mm or larger well constructed bullet at or nearly at magnum velocities.</p><p></p><p>I consider a 6.5 anything a too light for elk and even heavy mature mule deer. For every success story that's told for hunting there are at least 5 that were never told about failure to kill game. Hunters are worse liars than fishermen and although I think most people here on LRH are basically honest they always seem to be too stubborn to consider any cartridge other than their pet cartridges that they own to be any good and always seem to rise up and get insulted when anyone dares to sling mud at those cartridges.</p><p></p><p>All centerfire rifle cartridges have the perfect size and toughness of game that they're best for and the 6.5 Creed or ANY other 6.5 is light for shots on elk unless they're standing broadside which is a poor criteria for determining a good hunting cartridge on public lands.</p><p></p><p>My elk rifle for finishing off wounded elk and for hunting my own elk was a 350Rem Mag and it was always enough rifle even for barely wounded elk with their adrenaline running wide open. I saw a lot of 7mm Magnum and 300 Winney shots taken and if the elk were hit properly they cooperated by hitting the ground in short order. A 338 is probably the perfect elk cartridge but it's a bit more recoil than most hunters can handle and still maintain accuracy.</p><p></p><p>This strongly reminds me of the arguments about the 223 being all you need for whitetail and hogs.... Yes... With perfect bullet placement on a standing animal out to 150 yards they're pretty reliable. Otherwise it's "BANG... Where'd he go? Dang!!! Did I miss again?" LOL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LDHunter, post: 1530705, member: 105"] Well.... I have a totally different take. I have always doubted the energy calculations and have always believed and see the results of larger calibers vs. smaller calibers but that doesn't mean I'm a proponent of the 45-70 or anything like that. My experience working with an outfitter for 3 years and having been on several guided hunts for elk left me with 3 truths. 1. Learn to shoot and have some quality experience shooting game under field conditions. 2. Use the cartridge well suited to the game you're hunting. 3. Sometimes you do EVERYTHING right and elk are still not impressed. Number 2 is what I'd like to address here. I've found that elk are MUCH MORE OFTEN impressed if you're shooting a 7mm or larger well constructed bullet at or nearly at magnum velocities. I consider a 6.5 anything a too light for elk and even heavy mature mule deer. For every success story that's told for hunting there are at least 5 that were never told about failure to kill game. Hunters are worse liars than fishermen and although I think most people here on LRH are basically honest they always seem to be too stubborn to consider any cartridge other than their pet cartridges that they own to be any good and always seem to rise up and get insulted when anyone dares to sling mud at those cartridges. All centerfire rifle cartridges have the perfect size and toughness of game that they're best for and the 6.5 Creed or ANY other 6.5 is light for shots on elk unless they're standing broadside which is a poor criteria for determining a good hunting cartridge on public lands. My elk rifle for finishing off wounded elk and for hunting my own elk was a 350Rem Mag and it was always enough rifle even for barely wounded elk with their adrenaline running wide open. I saw a lot of 7mm Magnum and 300 Winney shots taken and if the elk were hit properly they cooperated by hitting the ground in short order. A 338 is probably the perfect elk cartridge but it's a bit more recoil than most hunters can handle and still maintain accuracy. This strongly reminds me of the arguments about the 223 being all you need for whitetail and hogs.... Yes... With perfect bullet placement on a standing animal out to 150 yards they're pretty reliable. Otherwise it's "BANG... Where'd he go? Dang!!! Did I miss again?" LOL [/QUOTE]
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