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6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?
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<blockquote data-quote="johnlittletree" data-source="post: 1530151" data-attributes="member: 105653"><p>I do not have anything against the Creedmore but it is anything but the Holy Grail! It is kind of like the 300AAC BlackOut in that it is a cartridge looking for a problem to solve. For some the 6.5 makes perfect sense as does the 6.5x47 but hunting is not it's strong suit. If you ignore the anemic loading of SAAMI standards on the 6.5x55 for example or ignore the terrible 260 brass that Remington makes the 6.5 Creedmore kind of starts to look irrelevant for hunting. I would not go out of my way to acquire or rebarrel to 6mm or 6.5 Creedmore. If you are buying new or you have a worn out barrel and need to rebarrel anyway the Creedmore's can make sense outside of just paper punching but not a Holy Grail at all! Lastly if you are talking about it on an old long action I would say it is waste of space and might present feeding issues compared to building on a short action. </p><p></p><p>This might come as a surprise to some on this forum but we have had a lot of fairly light recoiling non-magnums for the last 70 years for sure. In fact the further back you go generally the less recooil until you get into the Arms Race that was the introduction of the Spitzer bullet and smokeless powder. 30-06 SPR, 30-40 Krag, 7.62x51, .243 Win, 260 Remington, 280 Rem, 257 Roberts, 250/300 Savage, 300 Savage. 303 British, 7mm Mauser, 6.5x55 Swede all fairly light on recoil for a grown man or woman. If we are talking small stature women and youth the .243 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5x55 all pretty good the rifles weight and stock dimensions being bigger issues. On top of that they can be down loaded if you want as well. </p><p></p><p>The 6.5x47 makes the most sense in the above situation but you will likely never see it in the USA in any significant numbers or from a large OEM. Prob. 25 years ago or more I proposed a 6.5x39 as in built on the Russian Intermediate cartridge case for the SKS and it would still be a great idea. Sadly a lot of people on this sight would be disappointed and would have to do a 6.5x39AI. I also thought a 5.56 projectile based off of a 44 Rem Mag case in a revolver would have put a quick end to the Florida Bank Robbery of note due to full body armor being used. At close range a 5.56 NATO projectile fired from a revolver being pushed by a 44 Mag case would have given police rifle like velocities at close range and fit in the glove box of the police car or in a holster. I was thinking Ruger Super RedHawk with a 9.5 inch barrel etc. Likewise building it off a .30 Carbine case would also work. No one has offered an auto loader in .30 Carbine since AMT went out of business. </p><p></p><p>We all know that the Holy Grail is the 6.5 STW and 6.5x300 Weatherby! LOL Especially if you want to keep after market barrel makers in business.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="johnlittletree, post: 1530151, member: 105653"] I do not have anything against the Creedmore but it is anything but the Holy Grail! It is kind of like the 300AAC BlackOut in that it is a cartridge looking for a problem to solve. For some the 6.5 makes perfect sense as does the 6.5x47 but hunting is not it's strong suit. If you ignore the anemic loading of SAAMI standards on the 6.5x55 for example or ignore the terrible 260 brass that Remington makes the 6.5 Creedmore kind of starts to look irrelevant for hunting. I would not go out of my way to acquire or rebarrel to 6mm or 6.5 Creedmore. If you are buying new or you have a worn out barrel and need to rebarrel anyway the Creedmore's can make sense outside of just paper punching but not a Holy Grail at all! Lastly if you are talking about it on an old long action I would say it is waste of space and might present feeding issues compared to building on a short action. This might come as a surprise to some on this forum but we have had a lot of fairly light recoiling non-magnums for the last 70 years for sure. In fact the further back you go generally the less recooil until you get into the Arms Race that was the introduction of the Spitzer bullet and smokeless powder. 30-06 SPR, 30-40 Krag, 7.62x51, .243 Win, 260 Remington, 280 Rem, 257 Roberts, 250/300 Savage, 300 Savage. 303 British, 7mm Mauser, 6.5x55 Swede all fairly light on recoil for a grown man or woman. If we are talking small stature women and youth the .243 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5x55 all pretty good the rifles weight and stock dimensions being bigger issues. On top of that they can be down loaded if you want as well. The 6.5x47 makes the most sense in the above situation but you will likely never see it in the USA in any significant numbers or from a large OEM. Prob. 25 years ago or more I proposed a 6.5x39 as in built on the Russian Intermediate cartridge case for the SKS and it would still be a great idea. Sadly a lot of people on this sight would be disappointed and would have to do a 6.5x39AI. I also thought a 5.56 projectile based off of a 44 Rem Mag case in a revolver would have put a quick end to the Florida Bank Robbery of note due to full body armor being used. At close range a 5.56 NATO projectile fired from a revolver being pushed by a 44 Mag case would have given police rifle like velocities at close range and fit in the glove box of the police car or in a holster. I was thinking Ruger Super RedHawk with a 9.5 inch barrel etc. Likewise building it off a .30 Carbine case would also work. No one has offered an auto loader in .30 Carbine since AMT went out of business. We all know that the Holy Grail is the 6.5 STW and 6.5x300 Weatherby! LOL Especially if you want to keep after market barrel makers in business. [/QUOTE]
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