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6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tex_Hunter" data-source="post: 1529859" data-attributes="member: 31749"><p>This is the classic story told over and over again. Guide takes someone out with their 270win, they shoot a bull 5 times and it wont go down, guide drops it finally with a finishing shot from a 300WM. Hunter goes back to camp dogging on his puny 270 and swearing next year he'll be back with a 300WM.</p><p></p><p>Comes time to clean the carcass and we come to find, elk has 1-2 .270 shots in the gut, one high in "no mans land" and 2 others in the hind quarters... and then a single 30cal bullet through both the lungs. Was this a failure of the gun or the hunter? More importantly... will this actually change the hunters mind about whether it was his gun?</p><p></p><p>Your intro to the story tells me everything I need to know, and most likely was done so on purpose to fit the angle you were taking. Four different hunters shoot elk with a 6.5 Creedmoor and all four are lost, meaning we dont get to verify how "well" they were actually shot, and no one comes back into camp admitting they shot it poorly so of course they blame the gun/ cartridge. It doesnt actually tell us anything other than confirming any inherent bias we had going into the discussion.</p><p></p><p>Is it enough gun? Maybe. My experience shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor is based solely on Texas Whitetail deer and long range PRS style shooting. It excels at both of those things, and its the only caliber I use regularly anymore for those tasks. However, I've learned over the last few years a few things that would make me question using a factory rifle with factory ammo for the relatively tall order of backwoods elk hunting. Primarily because factory ammo running heavy bullets is a little on the anemic side when fired out of the 22" barrels most factory rifles come with. I have yet to find a factory offering that breaks 2600fps in any of my 22" Creedmoors. That doesn't get you out very far if you use the 1200fpe "golden rule" for Elk. However, if I plug in my 143gr ELD-X handloads in to a ballistics calculator at Sea Level and standard atmosphere, they impact at 400yds at 2200fps and 1587fpe (2800fps MV). If I plug in a 270winchester running a 145gr ELD-X @2950fps and same conditions it arrives at 400yds a whopping* 80fps faster and 100fpe more... so at the VERY LEAST we have established that the two are near as makes no difference identical at 400yds, and at any distance beyond that, the Creedmoor pulls ahead.</p><p></p><p>It wouldnt be my first choice (I don't currently own anything bigger) but I have no doubt in my mind that if I took a shot that was within my capabilities with a bullet designed for the task that it would more than enough to kill an elk with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tex_Hunter, post: 1529859, member: 31749"] This is the classic story told over and over again. Guide takes someone out with their 270win, they shoot a bull 5 times and it wont go down, guide drops it finally with a finishing shot from a 300WM. Hunter goes back to camp dogging on his puny 270 and swearing next year he'll be back with a 300WM. Comes time to clean the carcass and we come to find, elk has 1-2 .270 shots in the gut, one high in "no mans land" and 2 others in the hind quarters... and then a single 30cal bullet through both the lungs. Was this a failure of the gun or the hunter? More importantly... will this actually change the hunters mind about whether it was his gun? Your intro to the story tells me everything I need to know, and most likely was done so on purpose to fit the angle you were taking. Four different hunters shoot elk with a 6.5 Creedmoor and all four are lost, meaning we dont get to verify how "well" they were actually shot, and no one comes back into camp admitting they shot it poorly so of course they blame the gun/ cartridge. It doesnt actually tell us anything other than confirming any inherent bias we had going into the discussion. Is it enough gun? Maybe. My experience shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor is based solely on Texas Whitetail deer and long range PRS style shooting. It excels at both of those things, and its the only caliber I use regularly anymore for those tasks. However, I've learned over the last few years a few things that would make me question using a factory rifle with factory ammo for the relatively tall order of backwoods elk hunting. Primarily because factory ammo running heavy bullets is a little on the anemic side when fired out of the 22" barrels most factory rifles come with. I have yet to find a factory offering that breaks 2600fps in any of my 22" Creedmoors. That doesn't get you out very far if you use the 1200fpe "golden rule" for Elk. However, if I plug in my 143gr ELD-X handloads in to a ballistics calculator at Sea Level and standard atmosphere, they impact at 400yds at 2200fps and 1587fpe (2800fps MV). If I plug in a 270winchester running a 145gr ELD-X @2950fps and same conditions it arrives at 400yds a whopping* 80fps faster and 100fpe more... so at the VERY LEAST we have established that the two are near as makes no difference identical at 400yds, and at any distance beyond that, the Creedmoor pulls ahead. It wouldnt be my first choice (I don't currently own anything bigger) but I have no doubt in my mind that if I took a shot that was within my capabilities with a bullet designed for the task that it would more than enough to kill an elk with. [/QUOTE]
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