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<blockquote data-quote="Mysticplayer" data-source="post: 23000" data-attributes="member: 8947"><p>As some may have read from my previous post, the 50BMG in the hands of some talented Cdn sniper has made a new world record for longest hit. This was over 2400meters (over 2600yds). Took two shots and that was that.</p><p></p><p>Guarantee you that his ammo was not machine gun fodder. Hopefully, we will get more info as this story gets declassified.</p><p></p><p>So the long range use of the 50BMG is still solid. However, it will be in specialized rifles shooting ammo to suit. This would not be much different then the 408 or any other design.</p><p></p><p>However, logistics do dictate that unless there is a wide scale change away from the 50 BMG, any other stand alone cartridge is going to have a very tough fight to be accepted. At the end of the day, when the team is *** deep in a fire fight in the middle of nowhere, having a ready supply of any suitable ammo is very comforting. At least in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>A 2500yd system is wonderful, but what happens when the fight gets 500yds away and you are out of ammo and nothing else fits?</p><p></p><p>With globalization affecting the armies of the "western" world, not only would any new cartridge have to be accepted by the US, it would also have to work for other NATO and affiliated countries.</p><p></p><p>Don't think there are that many armies looking to reinvent the wheel. How much is the 338 lapua used in real combat today, by how many countries? Compare that to the 308, 300win mag.</p><p></p><p>I belive that any new long range sniper/machine gun cartridge would have to revolutionize the performance of what we have today. Sort of like the change from black powder to smokeless. We just have too much invested in known tech that still works to look at reinventing the wheel.</p><p></p><p>I am guessing smart 'munitions are going to get further R&D money. Wouldn't a fire and forget bullet be kind of neat?</p><p></p><p>Just a thought...</p><p></p><p>Jerry</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mysticplayer, post: 23000, member: 8947"] As some may have read from my previous post, the 50BMG in the hands of some talented Cdn sniper has made a new world record for longest hit. This was over 2400meters (over 2600yds). Took two shots and that was that. Guarantee you that his ammo was not machine gun fodder. Hopefully, we will get more info as this story gets declassified. So the long range use of the 50BMG is still solid. However, it will be in specialized rifles shooting ammo to suit. This would not be much different then the 408 or any other design. However, logistics do dictate that unless there is a wide scale change away from the 50 BMG, any other stand alone cartridge is going to have a very tough fight to be accepted. At the end of the day, when the team is *** deep in a fire fight in the middle of nowhere, having a ready supply of any suitable ammo is very comforting. At least in my opinion. A 2500yd system is wonderful, but what happens when the fight gets 500yds away and you are out of ammo and nothing else fits? With globalization affecting the armies of the "western" world, not only would any new cartridge have to be accepted by the US, it would also have to work for other NATO and affiliated countries. Don't think there are that many armies looking to reinvent the wheel. How much is the 338 lapua used in real combat today, by how many countries? Compare that to the 308, 300win mag. I belive that any new long range sniper/machine gun cartridge would have to revolutionize the performance of what we have today. Sort of like the change from black powder to smokeless. We just have too much invested in known tech that still works to look at reinventing the wheel. I am guessing smart 'munitions are going to get further R&D money. Wouldn't a fire and forget bullet be kind of neat? Just a thought... Jerry [/QUOTE]
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