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<blockquote data-quote="Black Diamond 408" data-source="post: 120721" data-attributes="member: 1563"><p>First off the bullets i was having made for the 408 was not a knock off from the LRB bullet, it was a totally differnt look and design. He claimed to have the patent for ANY 408 cal bullet...rubish! I had the bullets made but never marketed them. They shot less than .5moa and were a hunting class bullet. They were not designed for extreme ranges, 1500yds was the target area. I explained to Mr. Jensen, the 408 bullets were around long before he came up with his bullets, so a patent on a cal size was crap in my opinon.</p><p></p><p>On the bbls i use, well lets just say they were special made for the lost river bullets by the specialist you have make your rifles. Like i said they shot ok, but not to the degree i am looking for, i proved it wasn't the bbl's not shooting, it was the bullet. I took 416cal Barnes X bullets and turned them to .4077, we tested them in two different rifles, both had Lawton bbls, that is all i have ever used. The groups with the Barnes bullets were in the .25moa, the LRB bullet from both guns was .7 on average. I am a former bench rest shooter so i am use to guns that have to shoot. Personally, if i cant get close to one hole groups i am not satisfied. I know its harder to get that type of accuracy from the big bores but still i require very tight groups. My customers require very high standards as well, and i will do my best to steer them into the right direction. </p><p> Yes the bullets are brass, you know this because i told you this. I have tried the new LRB bullets last winter, they still shoot about the same. The Brass bullets, will out shoot the LRB by half, at a certain distance. I have not done any testing at extreme distances, as i have no reason to do so. I limit most of my testing to 1200yds as my clients are hunters.</p><p> Back to the superior 375 bullet, ok what states is it legal for big game hunting? Will it hold .5moa out too 1000yds? If you want your shoot to be real fun, make the targets the same size the 1000yd bench rest clubs use so they can show off the accuracy of the rifles. We are prolly on two different pages of reallity, one a hunting perspective and the other more about sniping. My 338 snipe-tac is what i call it. It is more than a necked down 408 case. It has a special twist that Barney and me came up with, the barrel was ordered in 2001. I designed the new round when i seen the first 408c-t case late 2000. I also worked up drawings for 375 cal, 8mm,416, and a 45cal. I went with the 338 for obvious reasons, the best bullets. The early tests were not all that great. About 1moa was average groups. I went back and changed the reamer specs, cut off the old chamber and re-chambered to the new style, the groups didn't improve. I then looked to bbl problems. I completly relaped the bbl, then re-broke the bbl in using a better method, Moly Powder, the groups emediatly shrunk to .5moa, after 20 rounds the groups kept shrinking. New loads were developed and groups were now in the .100's at 100yds. 500yds 1" groups were seen, 700yds 3"groups, 1000yds 5"groups. This is the kind of rifles my customers are looking for, light weight hunting rigs that will hold tight groupings. I dont doubt Barney's rifles at all, i just have mis givings about the bullets. I hear all the chatter about LRB bullets shooting record groups, but never see them do it. The average guy with a average gun will never get them to shoot. I'm not bashing LRB, its just the facts as i see them through my testing. My 338 will not shoot a LRB bullet, 3" groups is lucky, and it has the special twist that Barney uses on all of the 338 LRB bores. What most guys here will say is, i am not going to build a gun that needs a special bbl to shoot one manufacturers bullets. The average guy is not going to spend 40.00 for a box of bullets and have them shoot worse than a 15.00 box of Hornaday's. Word of mouth is the cheapest form of advertising, it can be a negative one also. Major manufacturers thrive on it, they expect it. They dont like negitive feedback, that is why there is customer suport and services. All i ever got from LRB was its your gun, not our bullets. On a box of 50 bullets i measured 4 different bullet diameters. 75.00 worth of crap!</p><p>Don't make excuses, just fix the problem was all i asked. Every one i talked to was having the same results.</p><p></p><p>I don't doubt any results you come up with, we just want to see some of them. Show us the targets. I know Barney's guns will shoot!</p><p></p><p>Kirby said it best, this is a hunting site and we need real world hunting type bullets that are legal to do so. This is what i am tring to get across as well.</p><p></p><p>Take care, all of this is very interesting to say the least.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Black Diamond 408, post: 120721, member: 1563"] First off the bullets i was having made for the 408 was not a knock off from the LRB bullet, it was a totally differnt look and design. He claimed to have the patent for ANY 408 cal bullet...rubish! I had the bullets made but never marketed them. They shot less than .5moa and were a hunting class bullet. They were not designed for extreme ranges, 1500yds was the target area. I explained to Mr. Jensen, the 408 bullets were around long before he came up with his bullets, so a patent on a cal size was crap in my opinon. On the bbls i use, well lets just say they were special made for the lost river bullets by the specialist you have make your rifles. Like i said they shot ok, but not to the degree i am looking for, i proved it wasn't the bbl's not shooting, it was the bullet. I took 416cal Barnes X bullets and turned them to .4077, we tested them in two different rifles, both had Lawton bbls, that is all i have ever used. The groups with the Barnes bullets were in the .25moa, the LRB bullet from both guns was .7 on average. I am a former bench rest shooter so i am use to guns that have to shoot. Personally, if i cant get close to one hole groups i am not satisfied. I know its harder to get that type of accuracy from the big bores but still i require very tight groups. My customers require very high standards as well, and i will do my best to steer them into the right direction. Yes the bullets are brass, you know this because i told you this. I have tried the new LRB bullets last winter, they still shoot about the same. The Brass bullets, will out shoot the LRB by half, at a certain distance. I have not done any testing at extreme distances, as i have no reason to do so. I limit most of my testing to 1200yds as my clients are hunters. Back to the superior 375 bullet, ok what states is it legal for big game hunting? Will it hold .5moa out too 1000yds? If you want your shoot to be real fun, make the targets the same size the 1000yd bench rest clubs use so they can show off the accuracy of the rifles. We are prolly on two different pages of reallity, one a hunting perspective and the other more about sniping. My 338 snipe-tac is what i call it. It is more than a necked down 408 case. It has a special twist that Barney and me came up with, the barrel was ordered in 2001. I designed the new round when i seen the first 408c-t case late 2000. I also worked up drawings for 375 cal, 8mm,416, and a 45cal. I went with the 338 for obvious reasons, the best bullets. The early tests were not all that great. About 1moa was average groups. I went back and changed the reamer specs, cut off the old chamber and re-chambered to the new style, the groups didn't improve. I then looked to bbl problems. I completly relaped the bbl, then re-broke the bbl in using a better method, Moly Powder, the groups emediatly shrunk to .5moa, after 20 rounds the groups kept shrinking. New loads were developed and groups were now in the .100's at 100yds. 500yds 1" groups were seen, 700yds 3"groups, 1000yds 5"groups. This is the kind of rifles my customers are looking for, light weight hunting rigs that will hold tight groupings. I dont doubt Barney's rifles at all, i just have mis givings about the bullets. I hear all the chatter about LRB bullets shooting record groups, but never see them do it. The average guy with a average gun will never get them to shoot. I'm not bashing LRB, its just the facts as i see them through my testing. My 338 will not shoot a LRB bullet, 3" groups is lucky, and it has the special twist that Barney uses on all of the 338 LRB bores. What most guys here will say is, i am not going to build a gun that needs a special bbl to shoot one manufacturers bullets. The average guy is not going to spend 40.00 for a box of bullets and have them shoot worse than a 15.00 box of Hornaday's. Word of mouth is the cheapest form of advertising, it can be a negative one also. Major manufacturers thrive on it, they expect it. They dont like negitive feedback, that is why there is customer suport and services. All i ever got from LRB was its your gun, not our bullets. On a box of 50 bullets i measured 4 different bullet diameters. 75.00 worth of crap! Don't make excuses, just fix the problem was all i asked. Every one i talked to was having the same results. I don't doubt any results you come up with, we just want to see some of them. Show us the targets. I know Barney's guns will shoot! Kirby said it best, this is a hunting site and we need real world hunting type bullets that are legal to do so. This is what i am tring to get across as well. Take care, all of this is very interesting to say the least. [/QUOTE]
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