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338 twist rate, what are your thoughts?
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 189876" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>I will be brutally honest, if your looking to shoot a mile, I would spend your best money on the best barrel you can. Shilen has been making barrels for a long time but I would not classify them in the top rung of barrel makers.</p><p> </p><p>I would look at Lilja, Rock, Broughton, Kreiger, Hart and so on. There are many others, these are just the ones I use the most and recommend because I know for a fact that the barrels will be shooters if I do my job as a rifle builder.</p><p> </p><p>I am not saying a Shilen select match will not shoot extremly well, they generally do shoot well but consider what your trying to do here. 1 mile shooting is a game for only the finest of equipment if you want consistant results.</p><p> </p><p>And to your expectations, 1/2 moa at a mile. Again, consider what your saying. 1/2 moa at 1000 yards is a hell of a feat. The best shooters in the world in good shooting conditions will have a hard time meeting this level of accuracy. If you could print 1/2 moa for every shot you would win most 1000 yard BR comps easily. </p><p> </p><p>In generaly shooting conditions, anything under moa at 1000 yards is very good. Anything under 3/4 moa is exceptional. Anything even around 1/2 moa is something to really talk about.</p><p> </p><p>Now step things out to a mile, thats 1760 yards, 75% father then 1000 yards. I tell my customers getting into long range that 800 yards is a hell of a long way to shoot. 1000 yards is noticably harder to get consistant groups at then 800 yards.</p><p> </p><p>1200 yards is again noticably more difficult to shoot tight groups at.</p><p> </p><p>1500 yards, I tell my customers is roughly twice as difficult to shoot quality groups than 1000 yards.</p><p> </p><p>At a mile, if your holding under MOA, your doing **** good no matter how you are, what your shooting or the conditions your shooting in. In some conditions getting 2 moa groups would be a very good day.</p><p> </p><p>I think you need to allow for a bit more latitude with your expectations or you may well be very unhappy and frustrated with the results in the end. I am not saying its impossible to shoot 1/2 moa at a mile but for the most part, that is something you will see only in the movies and in the BS ring around the camp fire....</p><p> </p><p>JMO.</p><p> </p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 189876, member: 10"] I will be brutally honest, if your looking to shoot a mile, I would spend your best money on the best barrel you can. Shilen has been making barrels for a long time but I would not classify them in the top rung of barrel makers. I would look at Lilja, Rock, Broughton, Kreiger, Hart and so on. There are many others, these are just the ones I use the most and recommend because I know for a fact that the barrels will be shooters if I do my job as a rifle builder. I am not saying a Shilen select match will not shoot extremly well, they generally do shoot well but consider what your trying to do here. 1 mile shooting is a game for only the finest of equipment if you want consistant results. And to your expectations, 1/2 moa at a mile. Again, consider what your saying. 1/2 moa at 1000 yards is a hell of a feat. The best shooters in the world in good shooting conditions will have a hard time meeting this level of accuracy. If you could print 1/2 moa for every shot you would win most 1000 yard BR comps easily. In generaly shooting conditions, anything under moa at 1000 yards is very good. Anything under 3/4 moa is exceptional. Anything even around 1/2 moa is something to really talk about. Now step things out to a mile, thats 1760 yards, 75% father then 1000 yards. I tell my customers getting into long range that 800 yards is a hell of a long way to shoot. 1000 yards is noticably harder to get consistant groups at then 800 yards. 1200 yards is again noticably more difficult to shoot tight groups at. 1500 yards, I tell my customers is roughly twice as difficult to shoot quality groups than 1000 yards. At a mile, if your holding under MOA, your doing **** good no matter how you are, what your shooting or the conditions your shooting in. In some conditions getting 2 moa groups would be a very good day. I think you need to allow for a bit more latitude with your expectations or you may well be very unhappy and frustrated with the results in the end. I am not saying its impossible to shoot 1/2 moa at a mile but for the most part, that is something you will see only in the movies and in the BS ring around the camp fire.... JMO. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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