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<blockquote data-quote="Autorotate" data-source="post: 535884" data-attributes="member: 8073"><p>Sounds like the Edge is a great fit for you then!</p><p></p><p>The Excalibur is impractical for all intents and purposes for most shooters. The fired cases I have hold 139-140 grains of water. Brass is expensive, as are precision dies for it. The brass is not of Lapua, or Norma quality.</p><p></p><p>Dimensional differences between the 338 RUM vs 338 Edge-</p><p>338 RUM is .090 shorter from the case head, to the body/shoulder junction.</p><p>338 RUM is .090 shorter from the case head to the mouth of the neck (overall length of the case)</p><p></p><p>The Edge has approx 4-5 grains (depends on powder and load density) more case capacity...this will enable a slight velocity advantage (50-75 fps) to be seen, particularly in longer barrel lengths (28+) over it's 338 RUM counterpart.</p><p></p><p>There's much to read and hear about dies for the Edge. My <a href="http://www.defensiveedge.net/products/338%20Edge%20dies/338%20edge%20dies.htm" target="_blank"><u>recommendation are these</u></a> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm pretty sure you're cutting yourself short by .050 with your TRG-S <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> That should be a 3.65 mag in that rifle...gun)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree! That's a "magnum" Weatherby mag box in the photo..3.815 inside dimension. If the bolt stop on the Weatherby Mark Vs is milled out, the Mark V can accomdate the extraction of loaded rounds of the longer 300 gr bullets with the Lapua, but not the 338-378 length cases.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I personally don't see the value of racking a 3.8" to 4+" round, with a 1.72-1.8" long bullet loaded with one caliber worth of case neck in contact with the bullet body with only .001 to .002 worth of neck tension on it, loaded on the bench to within .001 TIR loaded round concentricity....but to each their own on this regard. In other words, even if there was a mag box to accomdate it...not sure I'd run my precious little precision gems (the rounds I care about LR precision for) through a mag box, up a feed ramp, and into the chamber for those LR shots. Call me a sissy, but I like to push those rounds in there for those long shots...by hand<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p></p><p>I've also never really felt handicapped single feeding such long rounds, as for most LR shots, most use a stable shooting position i.e. prone....I'd take a mag box guy up on a race for 3 rounds/3 hits on a 1 MOA target at 1K yds with me single feeding and him running a mag rifle...and not feel handicapped at all. There will be "other" things that come into play IMHO...not a 4" mag box.</p><p></p><p>Not being argumentative, just throwing out another perspective. Long way of saying...You don't <em><u>need</u></em> a 4" mag box IMHO is what I'm trying to communicate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Autorotate, post: 535884, member: 8073"] Sounds like the Edge is a great fit for you then! The Excalibur is impractical for all intents and purposes for most shooters. The fired cases I have hold 139-140 grains of water. Brass is expensive, as are precision dies for it. The brass is not of Lapua, or Norma quality. Dimensional differences between the 338 RUM vs 338 Edge- 338 RUM is .090 shorter from the case head, to the body/shoulder junction. 338 RUM is .090 shorter from the case head to the mouth of the neck (overall length of the case) The Edge has approx 4-5 grains (depends on powder and load density) more case capacity...this will enable a slight velocity advantage (50-75 fps) to be seen, particularly in longer barrel lengths (28+) over it's 338 RUM counterpart. There's much to read and hear about dies for the Edge. My [URL="http://www.defensiveedge.net/products/338%20Edge%20dies/338%20edge%20dies.htm"][U]recommendation are these[/U][/URL] :D I'm pretty sure you're cutting yourself short by .050 with your TRG-S :D That should be a 3.65 mag in that rifle...gun) I agree! That's a "magnum" Weatherby mag box in the photo..3.815 inside dimension. If the bolt stop on the Weatherby Mark Vs is milled out, the Mark V can accomdate the extraction of loaded rounds of the longer 300 gr bullets with the Lapua, but not the 338-378 length cases. I personally don't see the value of racking a 3.8" to 4+" round, with a 1.72-1.8" long bullet loaded with one caliber worth of case neck in contact with the bullet body with only .001 to .002 worth of neck tension on it, loaded on the bench to within .001 TIR loaded round concentricity....but to each their own on this regard. In other words, even if there was a mag box to accomdate it...not sure I'd run my precious little precision gems (the rounds I care about LR precision for) through a mag box, up a feed ramp, and into the chamber for those LR shots. Call me a sissy, but I like to push those rounds in there for those long shots...by hand:cool: I've also never really felt handicapped single feeding such long rounds, as for most LR shots, most use a stable shooting position i.e. prone....I'd take a mag box guy up on a race for 3 rounds/3 hits on a 1 MOA target at 1K yds with me single feeding and him running a mag rifle...and not feel handicapped at all. There will be "other" things that come into play IMHO...not a 4" mag box. Not being argumentative, just throwing out another perspective. Long way of saying...You don't [I][U]need[/U][/I] a 4" mag box IMHO is what I'm trying to communicate. [/QUOTE]
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