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308 LC 12 brass - primed: OK it is UGLY - BUYER beware
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<blockquote data-quote="westcliffe01" data-source="post: 797888" data-attributes="member: 35183"><p>Crap, Power valley first accepted my backorder (the items were clearly listed as not being in stock, but you could still buy them) then I called them today to check on whether they had "really" accepted my order as a backorder and was told that it had been canceled. No email notification, nothing...</p><p></p><p>It looks like this issue with powder had been anticipated back in 2010.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.ammoland.com/2010/10/loss-of-smokeless-powder-the-greatest-threat-to-keep-bear-arms/" target="_blank">Loss of Smokeless Powder Greatest Threat to Keep & Bear Arms</a></p><p></p><p>quote</p><p><span style="color: Blue"><strong>Washington, DC -</strong>-(Ammoland.com)- Without ammunition, our firearms are just awkward clubs, and our cherished right to Keep and Bear Arms is worthless – literally worth nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Blue">Let me explain this threat.</span></p><p> <span style="color: Blue">To the best of my information, there are only two plants in the United States that manufacture smokeless propellant to load ammunition for our firearms. All else is imported, from Canada, Scandinavia, Europe, Israel, and Australia primarily.</span></p><p> <span style="color: Blue">These two plants are both owned by giant defense and government contractors for whom sales of powder for civilian ammunition consumption is but a tiny fraction of their business.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Blue">One is the General Dynamics plant in St. Marks, Florida, which produces for Hodgden, Winchester and others, and the Alliant plant in Connecticut which produces for the <a href="http://www.ammoland.com/tag/alliant-powder/" target="_blank">Alliant</a> family of companies and for the Lake City Arsenal <em>(currently under Alliant management).</em></span></p><p></p><p> <strong><span style="color: Blue">If Obama were to instruct his appointed Secretary of Defense to quietly lean on these defense contractors to quit selling smokeless powder for civilian consumption or put their next contract for an aircraft carrier at risk, I believe they'd bail on civilian powder sales in a heartbeat. And, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could end smokeless powder imports tomorrow with a stroke of her pen.</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black">Does this not seem to resemble the current situation pretty well ?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black">Is it not remarkable that not a single supplier from a location outside the US has been able to make good of a situation which would make them a LOT of money compared to regular business ? While I could understand that potential DHS orders could suck up capacity of domestic suppliers, why is it that the Fins, germans, Russians etc are not cashing in on the current crisis ?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westcliffe01, post: 797888, member: 35183"] Crap, Power valley first accepted my backorder (the items were clearly listed as not being in stock, but you could still buy them) then I called them today to check on whether they had "really" accepted my order as a backorder and was told that it had been canceled. No email notification, nothing... It looks like this issue with powder had been anticipated back in 2010. [url=http://www.ammoland.com/2010/10/loss-of-smokeless-powder-the-greatest-threat-to-keep-bear-arms/]Loss of Smokeless Powder Greatest Threat to Keep & Bear Arms[/url] quote [COLOR=Blue][B]Washington, DC -[/B]-(Ammoland.com)- Without ammunition, our firearms are just awkward clubs, and our cherished right to Keep and Bear Arms is worthless – literally worth nothing.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][COLOR=Blue]Let me explain this threat.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][COLOR=Blue]To the best of my information, there are only two plants in the United States that manufacture smokeless propellant to load ammunition for our firearms. All else is imported, from Canada, Scandinavia, Europe, Israel, and Australia primarily.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][COLOR=Blue]These two plants are both owned by giant defense and government contractors for whom sales of powder for civilian ammunition consumption is but a tiny fraction of their business.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][COLOR=Blue]One is the General Dynamics plant in St. Marks, Florida, which produces for Hodgden, Winchester and others, and the Alliant plant in Connecticut which produces for the [URL="http://www.ammoland.com/tag/alliant-powder/"]Alliant[/URL] family of companies and for the Lake City Arsenal [I](currently under Alliant management).[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=Blue]If Obama were to instruct his appointed Secretary of Defense to quietly lean on these defense contractors to quit selling smokeless powder for civilian consumption or put their next contract for an aircraft carrier at risk, I believe they’d bail on civilian powder sales in a heartbeat. And, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could end smokeless powder imports tomorrow with a stroke of her pen.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black]Does this not seem to resemble the current situation pretty well ?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black]Is it not remarkable that not a single supplier from a location outside the US has been able to make good of a situation which would make them a LOT of money compared to regular business ? While I could understand that potential DHS orders could suck up capacity of domestic suppliers, why is it that the Fins, germans, Russians etc are not cashing in on the current crisis ?[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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