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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 653485" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>Pockets380, The main thing is not to get to stressed out over the decision of what to build. Niether you nor anyone else will ever win your argument of these two because they are both excellent and will both serve your purpose well. Both are equally accurate with similar ballistics and will kill anything you care to shoot at within the range you described. You mentioned as light as possible and the 300 RUM would serve this purpose better because the 300 grainers will rock you in a light 338-300 RUM. An over the counter cartridge is easier and cheaper to get set up to load for with components easily available if you need to buy a box of bullets in a pinch. </p><p> </p><p>I always lean to the factory cartridge for many reasons. For many years wildcat cartridges were about all I shot for top long range performance. During the 90's though things started to happen and many of the top wildcats became factory cartridges. Today there is no need to wildcat a cartridge for top performance. Factory cartridges will serve any purpose unlike the 60's and 70's era I came up in trying to design the next top wildcat. When we got the specs on the soon to be released 300 RUM in 1998 I immediately realized the best caliber for that case was 338 and started turning out 338-300 RUM's in late 1998 as fast as I could build them because now any magnum action could be fitted with a 338 that would give a little better results than the 340 wby. It turned out to be a good cartridge that was accurate and shot well with many different bullets and loads. But then in 2001 Remington introduced the 338 RUM which did the same thing in a factory cartridge and when guys shot them side by side at my shop I never got another order for a 338-300 RUM. No point when the 338 RUM was a factory cartridge with all the extra benefits of such and did the same thing. Many including myself worked hard through the late 90's trying to come up with a top 338 Lapua improved design and the standard Lapua and the many improved designs made a better choice than the 338-300 RUM if a guy was going to build a custom. </p><p> </p><p>If a guy wanted a big fast 338 he could step up to the 378 wby case, 416 Rigby case or Excalibur case. You can easily stress yourself out with all the options but today a good factory cartridge is hard to beat. You can beat the 338-300 RUM performance easily with a factory cartridge or stand pat with that level of performance by getting a 338 RUM. If you want Shawn to plus P something he can do that with the other cartridges that give higher performance than the 338-300 RUM. You +P a 338-300 RUM and if this new thing Shawn is working with works then it puts you within 100-150 fps or so of a 338-378 wby factory cartridge. Well, you could just do the 338-378 wby to begin with and be well ahead of the 338-300 RUM +P or not. Lots of decisions. If you went the 338 route I would look into other choices besides the 338-300 RUM that might be a better fit for you and easier to work with. A +P 300 RUM would be a good one if the +P works. I haven't tested one so I have no idea if it does or doesn't. A 338 Lapua improved design would be a good choice if you wanted a wildcat. I have not shot the 230 hybrids in my 300 RUM's but from the velocities I have got with other similar heavy match bullets I am confident I will hit 3000 fps with the 230 Hybrids out of a 28" barrel which at .746 BC would be a top performer. </p><p> </p><p>I am hoping to test the 230 hybrids in the Mcmillan EOL Outdoorsman Rifle soon. I have shot several groups with the 210 Berger in the 10" range consistently at beyond 1200 yards at 3150-3200 fps. This is a 26" barrel 7 3/4 pound rifle like you are looking for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 653485, member: 505"] Pockets380, The main thing is not to get to stressed out over the decision of what to build. Niether you nor anyone else will ever win your argument of these two because they are both excellent and will both serve your purpose well. Both are equally accurate with similar ballistics and will kill anything you care to shoot at within the range you described. You mentioned as light as possible and the 300 RUM would serve this purpose better because the 300 grainers will rock you in a light 338-300 RUM. An over the counter cartridge is easier and cheaper to get set up to load for with components easily available if you need to buy a box of bullets in a pinch. I always lean to the factory cartridge for many reasons. For many years wildcat cartridges were about all I shot for top long range performance. During the 90's though things started to happen and many of the top wildcats became factory cartridges. Today there is no need to wildcat a cartridge for top performance. Factory cartridges will serve any purpose unlike the 60's and 70's era I came up in trying to design the next top wildcat. When we got the specs on the soon to be released 300 RUM in 1998 I immediately realized the best caliber for that case was 338 and started turning out 338-300 RUM's in late 1998 as fast as I could build them because now any magnum action could be fitted with a 338 that would give a little better results than the 340 wby. It turned out to be a good cartridge that was accurate and shot well with many different bullets and loads. But then in 2001 Remington introduced the 338 RUM which did the same thing in a factory cartridge and when guys shot them side by side at my shop I never got another order for a 338-300 RUM. No point when the 338 RUM was a factory cartridge with all the extra benefits of such and did the same thing. Many including myself worked hard through the late 90's trying to come up with a top 338 Lapua improved design and the standard Lapua and the many improved designs made a better choice than the 338-300 RUM if a guy was going to build a custom. If a guy wanted a big fast 338 he could step up to the 378 wby case, 416 Rigby case or Excalibur case. You can easily stress yourself out with all the options but today a good factory cartridge is hard to beat. You can beat the 338-300 RUM performance easily with a factory cartridge or stand pat with that level of performance by getting a 338 RUM. If you want Shawn to plus P something he can do that with the other cartridges that give higher performance than the 338-300 RUM. You +P a 338-300 RUM and if this new thing Shawn is working with works then it puts you within 100-150 fps or so of a 338-378 wby factory cartridge. Well, you could just do the 338-378 wby to begin with and be well ahead of the 338-300 RUM +P or not. Lots of decisions. If you went the 338 route I would look into other choices besides the 338-300 RUM that might be a better fit for you and easier to work with. A +P 300 RUM would be a good one if the +P works. I haven't tested one so I have no idea if it does or doesn't. A 338 Lapua improved design would be a good choice if you wanted a wildcat. I have not shot the 230 hybrids in my 300 RUM's but from the velocities I have got with other similar heavy match bullets I am confident I will hit 3000 fps with the 230 Hybrids out of a 28" barrel which at .746 BC would be a top performer. I am hoping to test the 230 hybrids in the Mcmillan EOL Outdoorsman Rifle soon. I have shot several groups with the 210 Berger in the 10" range consistently at beyond 1200 yards at 3150-3200 fps. This is a 26" barrel 7 3/4 pound rifle like you are looking for. [/QUOTE]
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