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.300 Norma or .300 RUM (can’t decide!!!) What
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<blockquote data-quote="rpierce" data-source="post: 1636777" data-attributes="member: 20643"><p>My thoughts mirror Alex's. The one Lapua makes brass for. I really like the norma improved. Heres a couple reasons why. Fireforming loads w factory ammo shoot under .5 moa no problem. I have countless groups in the .1s and .2s w factory ammo while test firing customers rifles before they ship out. Its way shorter coal than the rum. VERY easy to tune. I have several loads that shoot under an inch at 400 yds, off the bipod. I can find a new 1/4 moa or better load with a new combo in 25 rounds or less. I have loads with the 215 berger that are 3200 fps w n570 and shoot 1/4 moa or better. H1000 and 215 berger at 3100 averages 3/4" at 400. My 230 berger load is a very mild 2930 fps. However the first load I tried after the ladder test was .764" @ 400 yards off the bipod and the SD is very good. The 230 berger and n570 had a 3 grain node at 400 yds that had 1.00" vertical. 1.5 gr spread had .3" vertical. VERY wide nodes. The lapua brass is dang near indestructible. My reloading scale drifted 3 gr over a warm load. I had to hit the bolt with my hand to get it to open. The primer pocket was still tight. As soon as I saw the chrono number I knew something was wrong. I took another piece of brass and tested it with a 230 @ 3100 fps with Retumbo, 91 gr. That's definitely a warm load. I had 14 firings on that piece of brass with that load and the primer pocket was still tight, barely felt different than brand new. I got tired of wasting the time seeing how long it will last and simply came to the conclusion that if a guy has normal loads the brass will last forever. The first batch of dies I received from "Company A" wouldn't size the body dimensions and you would get a click after a few reloads due to essentially just neck sizing. They said my brass was undersized which is why their dies wouldn't size my brass. Well I had JGS and Warner Tool and Die measure my brass and according to their optical comparators it was only .0001/ one tenth of a thou from reamer print. Essentially perfect. I then measured the inside of the dies w pin gauges and they were indeed off spec and dang near the size of my reamer. After confronting them with this evidence they are offering a full refund to me and my customers. I then contacted Hornady to make me some custom dies. I got a sample die in a while back and it sized it perfectly and made really straight ammo. Im getting a big run of dies made by Hornady and should have them soon. Im also having Warner Tool and die make me some dies as well. Right now turnaround times are August delivery on rifles since parts are instock.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rpierce, post: 1636777, member: 20643"] My thoughts mirror Alex's. The one Lapua makes brass for. I really like the norma improved. Heres a couple reasons why. Fireforming loads w factory ammo shoot under .5 moa no problem. I have countless groups in the .1s and .2s w factory ammo while test firing customers rifles before they ship out. Its way shorter coal than the rum. VERY easy to tune. I have several loads that shoot under an inch at 400 yds, off the bipod. I can find a new 1/4 moa or better load with a new combo in 25 rounds or less. I have loads with the 215 berger that are 3200 fps w n570 and shoot 1/4 moa or better. H1000 and 215 berger at 3100 averages 3/4" at 400. My 230 berger load is a very mild 2930 fps. However the first load I tried after the ladder test was .764" @ 400 yards off the bipod and the SD is very good. The 230 berger and n570 had a 3 grain node at 400 yds that had 1.00" vertical. 1.5 gr spread had .3" vertical. VERY wide nodes. The lapua brass is dang near indestructible. My reloading scale drifted 3 gr over a warm load. I had to hit the bolt with my hand to get it to open. The primer pocket was still tight. As soon as I saw the chrono number I knew something was wrong. I took another piece of brass and tested it with a 230 @ 3100 fps with Retumbo, 91 gr. That's definitely a warm load. I had 14 firings on that piece of brass with that load and the primer pocket was still tight, barely felt different than brand new. I got tired of wasting the time seeing how long it will last and simply came to the conclusion that if a guy has normal loads the brass will last forever. The first batch of dies I received from "Company A" wouldn't size the body dimensions and you would get a click after a few reloads due to essentially just neck sizing. They said my brass was undersized which is why their dies wouldn't size my brass. Well I had JGS and Warner Tool and Die measure my brass and according to their optical comparators it was only .0001/ one tenth of a thou from reamer print. Essentially perfect. I then measured the inside of the dies w pin gauges and they were indeed off spec and dang near the size of my reamer. After confronting them with this evidence they are offering a full refund to me and my customers. I then contacted Hornady to make me some custom dies. I got a sample die in a while back and it sized it perfectly and made really straight ammo. Im getting a big run of dies made by Hornady and should have them soon. Im also having Warner Tool and die make me some dies as well. Right now turnaround times are August delivery on rifles since parts are instock. [/QUOTE]
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