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<blockquote data-quote="Guest" data-source="post: 24409"><p>DC </p><p> </p><p>I think your eyes might be going, what I wrote was: we have made 1 shot kills out past 1,900 in certain wind conditions. I have missed in the field, twice in recent memory.</p><p> </p><p>First was a Mulie in Colorado at 725 yds. in a 40-50 Mph gusty condition from hell.</p><p> </p><p>Second was a crow from over 1,040 yds. in 20 to 30 mph gusting conditions. </p><p> </p><p>The ability to shoot 1 shot kills takes years to develop and thousands of rounds fired in awful conditions. </p><p> </p><p>The range that your good for depends on the conditions at that moment, and I think I have covered that in quite a lot of detail.</p><p> </p><p>I think the best thing for you would be to start with the bipod issue, and when we can get past that, and you can openly admit that shooting well off a bipod is not luck, not because your trying to be magnanamous, but because you have actually shot a gun off a bipod that shoots well, really well, then we will move to maybe semi-auto gas guns, that shoot really well off a bipod, off hard surfaces. And if that goes well, then we will gradually tackle this whole weighted average thing with the wind, and maybe you will see some of the fruits of your tax dollars at work, and how effective it is in certain conditions and what the technique's limitations are in more difficult conditions.</p><p> </p><p>The worst thing that can happen with the system we use, is that we end up where you start, with a spotter (we call a miss) and have to take another shot. What we do is not impossible, and it is not luck, its just different than your system. <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p> </p><p>I am perplexed at your desire to shoot past 1,000 yards to determine which rifle is more accurate, since you were so adament about small groups being luck at a thousand, are you now saying that you want to induce randomness in a test designed to determine machine capability? Are we talking about rifle accuracy, or precision at long range? I don't know anyone who fires 10 shots to kill any game animal. If you truly want to determine which rifle is more accurate you are going to have to try harder to remove all that randomness from your test structure. If you want to have a tenshot benchrest match, we can do that at Williamsport on your regular schedule, no need to go to Wyo's place for that. We should do both, and publish the results.</p><p> <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>[ 01-06-2003: Message edited by: S1 ]</p><p></p><p>[ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: S1 ]</p><p></p><p>[ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: S1 ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest, post: 24409"] DC I think your eyes might be going, what I wrote was: we have made 1 shot kills out past 1,900 in certain wind conditions. I have missed in the field, twice in recent memory. First was a Mulie in Colorado at 725 yds. in a 40-50 Mph gusty condition from hell. Second was a crow from over 1,040 yds. in 20 to 30 mph gusting conditions. The ability to shoot 1 shot kills takes years to develop and thousands of rounds fired in awful conditions. The range that your good for depends on the conditions at that moment, and I think I have covered that in quite a lot of detail. I think the best thing for you would be to start with the bipod issue, and when we can get past that, and you can openly admit that shooting well off a bipod is not luck, not because your trying to be magnanamous, but because you have actually shot a gun off a bipod that shoots well, really well, then we will move to maybe semi-auto gas guns, that shoot really well off a bipod, off hard surfaces. And if that goes well, then we will gradually tackle this whole weighted average thing with the wind, and maybe you will see some of the fruits of your tax dollars at work, and how effective it is in certain conditions and what the technique's limitations are in more difficult conditions. The worst thing that can happen with the system we use, is that we end up where you start, with a spotter (we call a miss) and have to take another shot. What we do is not impossible, and it is not luck, its just different than your system. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I am perplexed at your desire to shoot past 1,000 yards to determine which rifle is more accurate, since you were so adament about small groups being luck at a thousand, are you now saying that you want to induce randomness in a test designed to determine machine capability? Are we talking about rifle accuracy, or precision at long range? I don't know anyone who fires 10 shots to kill any game animal. If you truly want to determine which rifle is more accurate you are going to have to try harder to remove all that randomness from your test structure. If you want to have a tenshot benchrest match, we can do that at Williamsport on your regular schedule, no need to go to Wyo's place for that. We should do both, and publish the results. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [ 01-06-2003: Message edited by: S1 ] [ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: S1 ] [ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: S1 ] [/QUOTE]
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