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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 25671" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Stl-shooter</p><p></p><p>"I have built many rifles capable of shooting world record groups at 1000 yards. ... they do not shoot in competitions, nor are they legal at Williamsport or any other thousand yards benchrest range(WRONG). These rifles shoot off bi pods that are not legal, using superior brakes that are not legal(WRONG), using superior barrel tapers that are not legal(WRONG). It is unfortunate that so many of the classes at 1000 yard ranges are so constrained." (WRONG)</p><p> </p><p>I DO NOT SEE WAYNE ASKING YOU FOR YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE MY RIFLE WILL SHOOT GROUPS, ETC. I DO NOT SEE WAYNE ASKING WHETHER THE "WILLIAMSPORT WAY" ALLOWS FOR S1-DESIGNED RIFLES TO PLAY. AND ON AND ON.</p><p></p><p>Hmmm, think based on the above post, someone else started the tirade about 1000 yard shooting didn't they and made some extremely strong claims and inaccurate statements? </p><p></p><p>Or is your high horse only reserved for everyone else?</p><p></p><p>Look, my intention was simply to point out S1's knowlege 1K BR organizatons and classes is not totally accurate, and offer an invititation to showcase his wares, if S1 was honest about a venue to show what his guns can do, as IBS will allow his guns.</p><p></p><p>I do not intend to get in P---ing contest with you over this. Take it for what it is worth, if he wants to really shoot his guns in 1k BR, he is more than welcome and anyone else with his guns. I for one am very interested in seeing his brake, sounds interesting and want to see it shoot.</p><p></p><p>However, you need to be a just a little fair about this. If he wants to make those kind of claims, it is extremely naive not to expect everyone to want to see that kind of shooting. Nothing personal here, just the potential for great world record shooting according to the talk. However, everyone wants to see the "walk". "You do not go saying I have the fastest car in the world, but on other hand say, I really do not want to race it after someone has told you that you can race on their track." Just straight old fashioned common sense, if you want to make the claims, people want to see it!! I'll be the first to say "He's da man" if he breaks a world record or even wins one class, much less overall LG and HG Champ at the Nationals.</p><p></p><p>We did not make the claims here!</p><p></p><p>If he has got a better mousetrap/gun, muzzle brake, flash hole reamer, great for him and I will buy it(which I have done) and try to incorporate what I can learn from him. We all are learning every match and everytime we shoot, gunsmiths are always coming up with better things. I am sure he has some to offer too. Just want to see them work.</p><p></p><p>Let's be real here, world record guns are not made and sold based on talk on the internet, but on their ability on a range!</p><p></p><p>No need to reply, just understand, nothing personal, no personal challenge, but I would love to see any gun & shooter that good shoot if they have an honest desire to show their stuff. If not, well I think we all understand. But truthfully, how many people honestly get to say they witnessed a world record being shot. I would love to see it!</p><p></p><p>BH</p><p></p><p>[ 03-05-2003: Message edited by: BountyHunter ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 25671, member: 12"] Stl-shooter "I have built many rifles capable of shooting world record groups at 1000 yards. ... they do not shoot in competitions, nor are they legal at Williamsport or any other thousand yards benchrest range(WRONG). These rifles shoot off bi pods that are not legal, using superior brakes that are not legal(WRONG), using superior barrel tapers that are not legal(WRONG). It is unfortunate that so many of the classes at 1000 yard ranges are so constrained." (WRONG) I DO NOT SEE WAYNE ASKING YOU FOR YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE MY RIFLE WILL SHOOT GROUPS, ETC. I DO NOT SEE WAYNE ASKING WHETHER THE "WILLIAMSPORT WAY" ALLOWS FOR S1-DESIGNED RIFLES TO PLAY. AND ON AND ON. Hmmm, think based on the above post, someone else started the tirade about 1000 yard shooting didn't they and made some extremely strong claims and inaccurate statements? Or is your high horse only reserved for everyone else? Look, my intention was simply to point out S1's knowlege 1K BR organizatons and classes is not totally accurate, and offer an invititation to showcase his wares, if S1 was honest about a venue to show what his guns can do, as IBS will allow his guns. I do not intend to get in P---ing contest with you over this. Take it for what it is worth, if he wants to really shoot his guns in 1k BR, he is more than welcome and anyone else with his guns. I for one am very interested in seeing his brake, sounds interesting and want to see it shoot. However, you need to be a just a little fair about this. If he wants to make those kind of claims, it is extremely naive not to expect everyone to want to see that kind of shooting. Nothing personal here, just the potential for great world record shooting according to the talk. However, everyone wants to see the "walk". "You do not go saying I have the fastest car in the world, but on other hand say, I really do not want to race it after someone has told you that you can race on their track." Just straight old fashioned common sense, if you want to make the claims, people want to see it!! I'll be the first to say "He's da man" if he breaks a world record or even wins one class, much less overall LG and HG Champ at the Nationals. We did not make the claims here! If he has got a better mousetrap/gun, muzzle brake, flash hole reamer, great for him and I will buy it(which I have done) and try to incorporate what I can learn from him. We all are learning every match and everytime we shoot, gunsmiths are always coming up with better things. I am sure he has some to offer too. Just want to see them work. Let's be real here, world record guns are not made and sold based on talk on the internet, but on their ability on a range! No need to reply, just understand, nothing personal, no personal challenge, but I would love to see any gun & shooter that good shoot if they have an honest desire to show their stuff. If not, well I think we all understand. But truthfully, how many people honestly get to say they witnessed a world record being shot. I would love to see it! BH [ 03-05-2003: Message edited by: BountyHunter ] [/QUOTE]
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