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30-06 over 308
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<blockquote data-quote="Paladin300" data-source="post: 1975647" data-attributes="member: 115299"><p>Okay Rusty I hear your argument and again my point has never been to say the 308 is better or even equal to the 06. The op's question was should I build an 06 or something else if I already own 2 308's? Again, just my opinion but my answer was something else if you are going to hunt game the size of elk at extended ranges. As to efficiency that has to do with the amount of powder needed to accomplish a given end result not weather you can make it shoot accurately or not. Any caliber can be made to shoot accurately at 100 yards with the right ammo combination. Point in case we are working up loads for a 338 RUM/edge right now. This gun despises factory ammo. Haven't found a thing it likes that will shoot less than 2 inches, but run 300gr Bergers out to the lands and put 88grs of H1000 behind it and it makes nice little holes that you have to stare at really hard to tell that there is more than 2 or three shots in there. Tighter than quarter moa. That is a problem for me. One we are trying to take this gun to ranges beyond 2200 yrds. Two It is also a hunting rifle for bears and I need it to shot factory ammo. It will do neither well, but it is a shooter for sure. Here is the problem. In order to make it shoot the bullets need to be loaded out to a coal just under 4", thus making it a single shot, not good for bears. We have loaded it with 92gr. of H1000 with no, I mean not one pressure sign, but it won't hold a 11/2 inch group. This is a custom gun on a Remington action with a 30" bartlein barrel. At 88gr it is shooting 2690fps at 92gr it is up around 2800 which keeps us supersonic beyond 2200 yards, 2690 does not. This gun is not effecient for its intended purposes. My 300 win mag will out perform it with a 27" barrel. The win mag is not as fast or as powerful as the 338 but is far more efficient and can accomplish the same task within reason. Get the point I am trying to make. The question again was if I own a 308 should I build an 06. No go 300WM! All of that said, if I could only own one gun it might just well be a 30-06 or something built off that case 270, 280 Ackley etc... At no point in time did I intend to throw off nor did I discredit the storied 06. It is a great cartridge as is the 308. If you go back and read my original post you will see that. Hope this clears up my argument and any apparent confusion I have caused. Blessings!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paladin300, post: 1975647, member: 115299"] Okay Rusty I hear your argument and again my point has never been to say the 308 is better or even equal to the 06. The op's question was should I build an 06 or something else if I already own 2 308's? Again, just my opinion but my answer was something else if you are going to hunt game the size of elk at extended ranges. As to efficiency that has to do with the amount of powder needed to accomplish a given end result not weather you can make it shoot accurately or not. Any caliber can be made to shoot accurately at 100 yards with the right ammo combination. Point in case we are working up loads for a 338 RUM/edge right now. This gun despises factory ammo. Haven't found a thing it likes that will shoot less than 2 inches, but run 300gr Bergers out to the lands and put 88grs of H1000 behind it and it makes nice little holes that you have to stare at really hard to tell that there is more than 2 or three shots in there. Tighter than quarter moa. That is a problem for me. One we are trying to take this gun to ranges beyond 2200 yrds. Two It is also a hunting rifle for bears and I need it to shot factory ammo. It will do neither well, but it is a shooter for sure. Here is the problem. In order to make it shoot the bullets need to be loaded out to a coal just under 4", thus making it a single shot, not good for bears. We have loaded it with 92gr. of H1000 with no, I mean not one pressure sign, but it won't hold a 11/2 inch group. This is a custom gun on a Remington action with a 30" bartlein barrel. At 88gr it is shooting 2690fps at 92gr it is up around 2800 which keeps us supersonic beyond 2200 yards, 2690 does not. This gun is not effecient for its intended purposes. My 300 win mag will out perform it with a 27" barrel. The win mag is not as fast or as powerful as the 338 but is far more efficient and can accomplish the same task within reason. Get the point I am trying to make. The question again was if I own a 308 should I build an 06. No go 300WM! All of that said, if I could only own one gun it might just well be a 30-06 or something built off that case 270, 280 Ackley etc... At no point in time did I intend to throw off nor did I discredit the storied 06. It is a great cartridge as is the 308. If you go back and read my original post you will see that. Hope this clears up my argument and any apparent confusion I have caused. Blessings! [/QUOTE]
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