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284 Winchester?
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<blockquote data-quote="AZShooter" data-source="post: 333999" data-attributes="member: 5219"><p>Hi,</p><p></p><p>I am addressing your question as if you want a hunting rifle and not a pure target rifle. </p><p></p><p>I have had at least one 284 in my collection for over 25 yrs. All were sporter lightweight hunting rifles. The original 284 is a M77 Ruger that is on its third barrel. I bumped into this chambering by accident. That Ruger was a 6mm rem that I shot out. Harry Lawson of Harry Lawson Co told me that he could take one of the many 7 rem mag takeoffs he had and rechamber it to 284 win. For years it was my only rifle. I shot coues wt, javelina, elk and many varmints with it since then. </p><p></p><p>Over time and an increase in funds the rifle had a McMillan ultralight stock added as well as the magzine length increased to approx 3.1" Some day I'll invest in my own reamer which I'll do as soon as this barrel shows signs of deteriorating accuracy. </p><p></p><p>If I were to make a sporter 284 today I would alter the box magazine to maximize the length of a short action. Talk to Wyatt's or just have your gunsmith do it. After the magazine length is done, make a dummy round with the intended bullet and send it off with instructions to the reamer maker as to fit and bullet jump. I would recommend a no turn neck. </p><p></p><p>As for loading H4350 WAS the best until RL-17 showed up last year. The 284 works well with 120s to 160s for hunting and 168 or 180 VLDs for long range shooting. For hunting big game there are many wonderful premium bullets from 120 Barnes X style bullet to the 160 Accubond and many inbetween. </p><p></p><p>I recently worked up a load with the 150 nos E-tip for an upcoming cow elk hunt. Bullet is moly coated and maxed out in the magazine with approx a .025" jump to rifling. 56.5 gr of RL-17 has the bullet going right at 3000 fps. Shoots approx 1/2". While a 7 rem mag shooting the same bullet will be the primary rifle I may just walk around with this lighter rifle a few times for old times sake. I hasn't been on an elk hunt in well over a dozen years. </p><p></p><p>Here are my personal experiences on what velocities you can get with a 23" barrel, non moly'ed bullets and either IMR 4350 or H4350:</p><p></p><p>120 3200 fps</p><p>140 3000-3050</p><p>150 2900-2950</p><p>160 2800-2850</p><p></p><p>The old standard set by Bob Hagel was 57 or 58 gr of IMR 4350 with a 140 nosler partition for a velocity just over 3000 fps. You don't find that high a charge in any modern books but many bolt action 284 can handle it. Now that RL-17 is available this velocity is more easily obtained. </p><p></p><p>Hope that answers some of your questions. </p><p></p><p>Ross</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AZShooter, post: 333999, member: 5219"] Hi, I am addressing your question as if you want a hunting rifle and not a pure target rifle. I have had at least one 284 in my collection for over 25 yrs. All were sporter lightweight hunting rifles. The original 284 is a M77 Ruger that is on its third barrel. I bumped into this chambering by accident. That Ruger was a 6mm rem that I shot out. Harry Lawson of Harry Lawson Co told me that he could take one of the many 7 rem mag takeoffs he had and rechamber it to 284 win. For years it was my only rifle. I shot coues wt, javelina, elk and many varmints with it since then. Over time and an increase in funds the rifle had a McMillan ultralight stock added as well as the magzine length increased to approx 3.1" Some day I'll invest in my own reamer which I'll do as soon as this barrel shows signs of deteriorating accuracy. If I were to make a sporter 284 today I would alter the box magazine to maximize the length of a short action. Talk to Wyatt's or just have your gunsmith do it. After the magazine length is done, make a dummy round with the intended bullet and send it off with instructions to the reamer maker as to fit and bullet jump. I would recommend a no turn neck. As for loading H4350 WAS the best until RL-17 showed up last year. The 284 works well with 120s to 160s for hunting and 168 or 180 VLDs for long range shooting. For hunting big game there are many wonderful premium bullets from 120 Barnes X style bullet to the 160 Accubond and many inbetween. I recently worked up a load with the 150 nos E-tip for an upcoming cow elk hunt. Bullet is moly coated and maxed out in the magazine with approx a .025" jump to rifling. 56.5 gr of RL-17 has the bullet going right at 3000 fps. Shoots approx 1/2". While a 7 rem mag shooting the same bullet will be the primary rifle I may just walk around with this lighter rifle a few times for old times sake. I hasn't been on an elk hunt in well over a dozen years. Here are my personal experiences on what velocities you can get with a 23" barrel, non moly'ed bullets and either IMR 4350 or H4350: 120 3200 fps 140 3000-3050 150 2900-2950 160 2800-2850 The old standard set by Bob Hagel was 57 or 58 gr of IMR 4350 with a 140 nosler partition for a velocity just over 3000 fps. You don't find that high a charge in any modern books but many bolt action 284 can handle it. Now that RL-17 is available this velocity is more easily obtained. Hope that answers some of your questions. Ross [/QUOTE]
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