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280ai vs 7mm rem mag?
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<blockquote data-quote="johnlittletree" data-source="post: 1521706" data-attributes="member: 105653"><p><em>Well I thought you said you do not reload? You can get 7mm Mag from Walmart, K-Mart, Meijers,small town gas station. Also remember that if you hunt outside of the USA most countries require the head stamp to match caliber stamped on the receiver. or barrel. It is hard to find factory ammo in 280/7mm Express and I have never seen a box of any pre-loaded AI ammunition. AI is wasteful and hard on barrels. In hunting he difference between the 280 and the 7mm RM is not that big of a deal when looking at it as a hunter the 270 would work well too.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>For the record as well today I mentioned 30-06 AI in a positive light in a very specific application not because my stance has changed but it was relevant to the thread and that is what the guy in the next lane was shooting. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I also recommended a possible wildcat 338 Edge but the OP was very clear about it being used in North America only.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>So I do break my own rules when I think it is relevant under very specific instances.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>On top of that as I have said in the past if P.O. Ackley where alive today with the powder choices and high ballistic coefficient bullets I am fairly confident he would think a lot of the old AI's where stupid. Diminishing Margin of Return combined with the opportunity cost like your time and barrel life in comparison the performance increase is just not a conversation one can have with a strait face if logic and math rule your world. If emotion and romance rule your world we AI cartridges are prob. your thing. Romance and Food are the few places I surrender to feeling and emotions not math and logic! </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Now back when I could buy 50 pieces of 300 Win Mag brass for $16 versus 500 pieces of Lake City pull down 30-06 brass for $24 it made sense to do AI. Today 30-06 or 308 brass are not much cheaper than 300 Win Mag Brass and if you want really good brass from Lapua or Norma you best be ready to burn some money! Combined with shorter case life and it is nonsensical. In fact people would be better off doing what the Army and Navy did with the 300 Win Mag by tossing SAAMI out the window. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p> <em>Mk 248 MOD 1 is a game changer so long as you ignore convention but are still keen to have an acceptable safety margin. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I tend to laugh when people run with rather anemic loads for the 6.5x55 when no one in High Power 10-20 years ago would even consider running those anemic loads. Same thing for 45-70 if you are shooting a modern gun in 45-70 then those anemic loads everyone tosses about when wanting to put it down again are not very relevant today. Common sense is scarce today on the internet and real world results trounce on the paper tigers over and over again. It is kind of silly to compare an old standard chained down by SAAMI to a cartridge that has no SAAMI standard at all. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I bet most people on here are not aware that the Lever Action 45-70 has been gaining a lot of ground in Africa with guides. Why? The old drilling rifles and bolt actions magnum Mausers are two expensive. They have caliber restrictions and the combo of price, durability, ammo price and availability makes the 45-70 a steal! $12K to 24K for a lot of the older gear in the Nitro Express, Gibbs, Jeffery, Rigby etc....Look at all the Elphants Bell killed with a lowly (1100)7mm Mauser. </em></p><p><em></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="johnlittletree, post: 1521706, member: 105653"] [I]Well I thought you said you do not reload? You can get 7mm Mag from Walmart, K-Mart, Meijers,small town gas station. Also remember that if you hunt outside of the USA most countries require the head stamp to match caliber stamped on the receiver. or barrel. It is hard to find factory ammo in 280/7mm Express and I have never seen a box of any pre-loaded AI ammunition. AI is wasteful and hard on barrels. In hunting he difference between the 280 and the 7mm RM is not that big of a deal when looking at it as a hunter the 270 would work well too. For the record as well today I mentioned 30-06 AI in a positive light in a very specific application not because my stance has changed but it was relevant to the thread and that is what the guy in the next lane was shooting. I also recommended a possible wildcat 338 Edge but the OP was very clear about it being used in North America only. So I do break my own rules when I think it is relevant under very specific instances. On top of that as I have said in the past if P.O. Ackley where alive today with the powder choices and high ballistic coefficient bullets I am fairly confident he would think a lot of the old AI's where stupid. Diminishing Margin of Return combined with the opportunity cost like your time and barrel life in comparison the performance increase is just not a conversation one can have with a strait face if logic and math rule your world. If emotion and romance rule your world we AI cartridges are prob. your thing. Romance and Food are the few places I surrender to feeling and emotions not math and logic! Now back when I could buy 50 pieces of 300 Win Mag brass for $16 versus 500 pieces of Lake City pull down 30-06 brass for $24 it made sense to do AI. Today 30-06 or 308 brass are not much cheaper than 300 Win Mag Brass and if you want really good brass from Lapua or Norma you best be ready to burn some money! Combined with shorter case life and it is nonsensical. In fact people would be better off doing what the Army and Navy did with the 300 Win Mag by tossing SAAMI out the window. Mk 248 MOD 1 is a game changer so long as you ignore convention but are still keen to have an acceptable safety margin. I tend to laugh when people run with rather anemic loads for the 6.5x55 when no one in High Power 10-20 years ago would even consider running those anemic loads. Same thing for 45-70 if you are shooting a modern gun in 45-70 then those anemic loads everyone tosses about when wanting to put it down again are not very relevant today. Common sense is scarce today on the internet and real world results trounce on the paper tigers over and over again. It is kind of silly to compare an old standard chained down by SAAMI to a cartridge that has no SAAMI standard at all. I bet most people on here are not aware that the Lever Action 45-70 has been gaining a lot of ground in Africa with guides. Why? The old drilling rifles and bolt actions magnum Mausers are two expensive. They have caliber restrictions and the combo of price, durability, ammo price and availability makes the 45-70 a steal! $12K to 24K for a lot of the older gear in the Nitro Express, Gibbs, Jeffery, Rigby etc....Look at all the Elphants Bell killed with a lowly (1100)7mm Mauser. [/I] [/QUOTE]
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