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<blockquote data-quote="Gcan" data-source="post: 1785915" data-attributes="member: 102867"><p>No, I got it. I guess my point was this entire subject is who has the bigger -/;<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" />. Its always about SPEED when it should be bout accuracy. This is long range HUNTING not shooting. I could see a new 6.5 going 4000fps that didn't burn barrels being of real interest. And that would probably require machine turned bullets. I get the 16" 3000 fps thing. But show me a target at 500. And its still a 6.5. When its a 30 or 338 going 3000 from a 16" accurately Id build one today. </p><p>But new barrels, reamers, dies, load development, etc. for another 200-300 fps from a 100k psi bi metal round, or even building a 6.5PRC when you might already have a 6.5x47 or some other 6.5 that shoots 1/2 moa or better at 1000 is indicative of what my wife calls "my gun problem." </p><p></p><p>One of the guys at the club has 4 or 5 338s. Edge, Lapua, Lapua Improved. Maybe he has 6 or 7. Some are the same with different throats. He has dies, bullets, powders and chrono data for them all. Different brass, bullets and loads. He looks like the mad scientist from back to the future when he shows up with notebooks and 8 boxes of ammo for 4 guns in the same damned caliber, while Larry shows up with one 6.5 @ 2800fps gun and rings the 6" plate at 1000 like its a carnival game. One guy spends all his time buying new guns, chasing fps and the next best new thing. The other guy spends all his time perfecting loads and quality control for one gun. Guess which one wins all the matches?</p><p></p><p>no matter what we do with a 6.5 its still a 6.5. Its not a 30PRC OR 338LM or a 375CT. </p><p>I made my 6.5 decision long ago. Now I have a single, a box fed and an AR10 all in same 260 Rem. All with same reamer, bullet and load. Like I said, im sure I could get 3000 but the gun shoots at 2950. If I want more I go to the 300 UM or PRC. If I want more I go to the 338LM. If I want more I go to the 375CT. </p><p></p><p>they won't let me have anything in the 5" class so the 50bmg is where I tap out. </p><p>I guess its about the "why" for each of us. Some guys are hunters, some shooters and some tinkerers. A 16" 6.5 going 3000 fps still only makes 1200 ftlbs at 750. Its still a 6.5. A 185 .30 @ 2800 makes 1200 at 750. </p><p></p><p>I try to build each gun as though it was the gun I would run out the door with. Thats why I gave up my edge for a LM. If it was just bout accuracy we'd all be shooting Dashers or BRs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gcan, post: 1785915, member: 102867"] No, I got it. I guess my point was this entire subject is who has the bigger -/;:(. Its always about SPEED when it should be bout accuracy. This is long range HUNTING not shooting. I could see a new 6.5 going 4000fps that didn't burn barrels being of real interest. And that would probably require machine turned bullets. I get the 16” 3000 fps thing. But show me a target at 500. And its still a 6.5. When its a 30 or 338 going 3000 from a 16” accurately Id build one today. But new barrels, reamers, dies, load development, etc. for another 200-300 fps from a 100k psi bi metal round, or even building a 6.5PRC when you might already have a 6.5x47 or some other 6.5 that shoots 1/2 moa or better at 1000 is indicative of what my wife calls “my gun problem.” One of the guys at the club has 4 or 5 338s. Edge, Lapua, Lapua Improved. Maybe he has 6 or 7. Some are the same with different throats. He has dies, bullets, powders and chrono data for them all. Different brass, bullets and loads. He looks like the mad scientist from back to the future when he shows up with notebooks and 8 boxes of ammo for 4 guns in the same damned caliber, while Larry shows up with one 6.5 @ 2800fps gun and rings the 6” plate at 1000 like its a carnival game. One guy spends all his time buying new guns, chasing fps and the next best new thing. The other guy spends all his time perfecting loads and quality control for one gun. Guess which one wins all the matches? no matter what we do with a 6.5 its still a 6.5. Its not a 30PRC OR 338LM or a 375CT. I made my 6.5 decision long ago. Now I have a single, a box fed and an AR10 all in same 260 Rem. All with same reamer, bullet and load. Like I said, im sure I could get 3000 but the gun shoots at 2950. If I want more I go to the 300 UM or PRC. If I want more I go to the 338LM. If I want more I go to the 375CT. they won’t let me have anything in the 5” class so the 50bmg is where I tap out. I guess its about the “why” for each of us. Some guys are hunters, some shooters and some tinkerers. A 16” 6.5 going 3000 fps still only makes 1200 ftlbs at 750. Its still a 6.5. A 185 .30 @ 2800 makes 1200 at 750. I try to build each gun as though it was the gun I would run out the door with. Thats why I gave up my edge for a LM. If it was just bout accuracy we’d all be shooting Dashers or BRs. [/QUOTE]
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