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.270 whitetail bullet shopping again, for the last time.
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<blockquote data-quote="HBoothe" data-source="post: 1968171" data-attributes="member: 115172"><p>Okay, first a little jab...jack up the scope, drive a .243 W under it, set it back down. I dunno how bit the WT are where you are but in north central Texas they're small and my wife blew a *tunnel* through one with a 100gr soft nose Winchester white box round out of her .243 W. The .270 W is a cannon...considering the little WTs we have around here. Just sayin'. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Triple Shock....skip the solid copper bullets. Unless you're in California or maybe the Republik of Mass, you don't have to have them I don't think (laws/regs in your area may differ). If you're in one of those places...move. Really. But the solid copper bullets have been a huge disappointment to me. Poked holes through pigs while not actually killing pigs...at least not efficiently...squealing, hobbled, running off wounded. I tried them in .224 Valkyrie for pigs, and at about 3k FPS. Then I sobered up and got a 6.5 Grendel...but that's another story. Back to the solids...while that opinion/experience was gained by putting boots on the ground and rounds into pigs, this information didn't hurt any: <a href="https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Homogenous+copper+bullets+can+be+inhumane.html" target="_blank">https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Homogenous+copper+bullets+can+be+inhumane.html</a></p><p></p><p>On topic: Hornady makes the SST which has been reported to be an effective bullet but which I have not used. Some will scream bloody murder but "boots on the ground and rounds into critters" says that Hornady ELD bullets are effective on game. Your mileage may vary, and I am not a deer hunter (hogs, coyotes, bobcats for me), and they may just poke holes in deer...but the damage even on small stuff like bunnies (a hunting buddy of mine will blast one occasionally...<grrr>) and raccoons (I kill all I can...miserable bastards) is appreciable. Hornady also makes ELD-X bullets but I've not tried them. The BC on the ELD is pretty darned good (for all the ones I've used from .224 and .264 calibers) and I get 1 MOA or just under with a 16" 6.5 Grendel at 200 yds in an AR using an "off the shelf" Ballistics Advantage barrel...darned fine for my needs.</p><p></p><p>Off topic (sort of): However, regarding your comment about a deer running "50-100 yards" and then falling over, these critters (hogs, coyotes, bobcats, deer) are not the wimpy mammals we humans are. They get wounded/scared and they are all-in on "flight". While I normally do not hunt deer, I shot one about 2 years ago for a friend who was at work (firefighter, 2nd to last day of season). Good shot placement, 50 yards away, 224 Valkyrie, mortal wound through the heart/lung area..still ran about 100+ feet and that was with good shot placement which caused heavy damage in the heart/lung area. My wife's deer with the .243 W went at least 150 feet with a tunnel through both lungs. I've shot coyotes and hogs through the lungs and watched them run every bit of 100 yards (rarely, but it happens). The lungs are Jell-o...completely useless, the arterial system is largely intact, though, and the animal runs until the oxygen in its blood is depleted. Yes, I've cut a couple of animals open to inspect the lungs/innards. The better way, I think and have seen, to get an animal to fall right over while reducing the likelihood of a miss, is to shoot it in the neck, near/just above the shoulder if possible. There're a lot of "transmission lines" in the neck. I'd wager that your Nosler BTs from the .270 would have dropped right there anything you shot with it if you'd put the bullet near the center of the neck. I shot one of the largest hogs I've shot (maybe 250# realistic, not "it's huge and puffy, I bet it weighs 400#!") with a short-barreled (10") AR in .223R with a 60-something grain something or another (almost 2 and half years ago and I had alternating rounds in the mag, don't know if it was the 63gr soft nose or the 69gr match) right in the neck at about 20 yards (very close, yes) and it went down right there and never took another step. It wasn't dead, but I fixed that right quick and it was easy because it was right there. I've since shot a number of pigs in the neck (sometimes on purpose, sometimes just a lucky strike as the group flees) and they are consistently a "drops right there" hit. If I get to stalk up on a really big one, I definitely shoot for the neck to give myself the most likelihood of killing it. Do not discount the cartilage layer/shield on the larger boars...</p><p></p><p>Anyway...my thoughts. Always meant be helpful and apologies if it's not.</p><p></p><p>--HC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HBoothe, post: 1968171, member: 115172"] Okay, first a little jab...jack up the scope, drive a .243 W under it, set it back down. I dunno how bit the WT are where you are but in north central Texas they're small and my wife blew a *tunnel* through one with a 100gr soft nose Winchester white box round out of her .243 W. The .270 W is a cannon...considering the little WTs we have around here. Just sayin'. :) Triple Shock....skip the solid copper bullets. Unless you're in California or maybe the Republik of Mass, you don't have to have them I don't think (laws/regs in your area may differ). If you're in one of those places...move. Really. But the solid copper bullets have been a huge disappointment to me. Poked holes through pigs while not actually killing pigs...at least not efficiently...squealing, hobbled, running off wounded. I tried them in .224 Valkyrie for pigs, and at about 3k FPS. Then I sobered up and got a 6.5 Grendel...but that's another story. Back to the solids...while that opinion/experience was gained by putting boots on the ground and rounds into pigs, this information didn't hurt any: [URL]https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Homogenous+copper+bullets+can+be+inhumane.html[/URL] On topic: Hornady makes the SST which has been reported to be an effective bullet but which I have not used. Some will scream bloody murder but "boots on the ground and rounds into critters" says that Hornady ELD bullets are effective on game. Your mileage may vary, and I am not a deer hunter (hogs, coyotes, bobcats for me), and they may just poke holes in deer...but the damage even on small stuff like bunnies (a hunting buddy of mine will blast one occasionally...<grrr>) and raccoons (I kill all I can...miserable bastards) is appreciable. Hornady also makes ELD-X bullets but I've not tried them. The BC on the ELD is pretty darned good (for all the ones I've used from .224 and .264 calibers) and I get 1 MOA or just under with a 16" 6.5 Grendel at 200 yds in an AR using an "off the shelf" Ballistics Advantage barrel...darned fine for my needs. Off topic (sort of): However, regarding your comment about a deer running "50-100 yards" and then falling over, these critters (hogs, coyotes, bobcats, deer) are not the wimpy mammals we humans are. They get wounded/scared and they are all-in on "flight". While I normally do not hunt deer, I shot one about 2 years ago for a friend who was at work (firefighter, 2nd to last day of season). Good shot placement, 50 yards away, 224 Valkyrie, mortal wound through the heart/lung area..still ran about 100+ feet and that was with good shot placement which caused heavy damage in the heart/lung area. My wife's deer with the .243 W went at least 150 feet with a tunnel through both lungs. I've shot coyotes and hogs through the lungs and watched them run every bit of 100 yards (rarely, but it happens). The lungs are Jell-o...completely useless, the arterial system is largely intact, though, and the animal runs until the oxygen in its blood is depleted. Yes, I've cut a couple of animals open to inspect the lungs/innards. The better way, I think and have seen, to get an animal to fall right over while reducing the likelihood of a miss, is to shoot it in the neck, near/just above the shoulder if possible. There're a lot of "transmission lines" in the neck. I'd wager that your Nosler BTs from the .270 would have dropped right there anything you shot with it if you'd put the bullet near the center of the neck. I shot one of the largest hogs I've shot (maybe 250# realistic, not "it's huge and puffy, I bet it weighs 400#!") with a short-barreled (10") AR in .223R with a 60-something grain something or another (almost 2 and half years ago and I had alternating rounds in the mag, don't know if it was the 63gr soft nose or the 69gr match) right in the neck at about 20 yards (very close, yes) and it went down right there and never took another step. It wasn't dead, but I fixed that right quick and it was easy because it was right there. I've since shot a number of pigs in the neck (sometimes on purpose, sometimes just a lucky strike as the group flees) and they are consistently a "drops right there" hit. If I get to stalk up on a really big one, I definitely shoot for the neck to give myself the most likelihood of killing it. Do not discount the cartilage layer/shield on the larger boars... Anyway...my thoughts. Always meant be helpful and apologies if it's not. --HC [/QUOTE]
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