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.270 whitetail bullet shopping again, for the last time.
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<blockquote data-quote="nicholasjohn" data-source="post: 1967404" data-attributes="member: 109113"><p>I don't think this is a bullet type issue - it looks more like a shot placement issue to me. Having shot a bunch of deer over the decades, and of the ones that went down right away as opposed to running a short distance before expiring, there was one common thread ....... it was broken bones. </p><p></p><p>When I was growing up in western PA, the deer there were very nervous and high-strung - mostly due to the fact that they were harassed by a million hunters. They were on red alert all the time, and the standard behind the shoulder shot quite often didn't knock them down. They would run for several seconds before dropping, and this would be anywhere from 50 yards to 150 yards away. This was after a soft-point bullet had trashed the lungs. If the heart was hit, they sometimes ran a shorter distance than with a pure lung shot, but <strong>when one or both shoulders were broken, they typically dropped right there and didn't get up.</strong> I've seen this dozens of times, and my observations have been very consistent. Most of the animals were shot with the 308, although some were shot with other cartridges - some larger; some smaller. On rib cage shots, deer standing still often dropped at the shot, but running deer rarely went down with that shot placement. They kept right on going to die after a short run. The cartridge and bullet didn't seem to make any difference in how far they went. </p><p></p><p>I've also shot a bunch of large-bodied whitetails in northwestern Minnesota, all with a 12-gauge slug gun. The 1-1/4 ounce slugs do a good job, but even on deer that aren't all hyped up on adrenaline, the rib cag shots didn't knock them down reliably. I think they dropped more often than the Pennsylvania deer did, but often they would behave just like deer do when hit with an arrow. The results were far different when a shoulder was hit. We also hunted private land, and didn't want the deer to run onto a neighboring property after the shot. So, we made sure that we broke a shoulder with our shot, either on the way in or on the way out. Since these big slugs almost almost always came out the other side, this was pretty easy to accomplish. This messed up a lot of "grinding meat" but it beat losing the whole animal by far. We pretty quickly adopted the philosophy that if you want more bambi-burgers, just shoot more deer. That's what all those doe tags are for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nicholasjohn, post: 1967404, member: 109113"] I don't think this is a bullet type issue - it looks more like a shot placement issue to me. Having shot a bunch of deer over the decades, and of the ones that went down right away as opposed to running a short distance before expiring, there was one common thread ....... it was broken bones. When I was growing up in western PA, the deer there were very nervous and high-strung - mostly due to the fact that they were harassed by a million hunters. They were on red alert all the time, and the standard behind the shoulder shot quite often didn't knock them down. They would run for several seconds before dropping, and this would be anywhere from 50 yards to 150 yards away. This was after a soft-point bullet had trashed the lungs. If the heart was hit, they sometimes ran a shorter distance than with a pure lung shot, but [B]when one or both shoulders were broken, they typically dropped right there and didn't get up.[/B] I've seen this dozens of times, and my observations have been very consistent. Most of the animals were shot with the 308, although some were shot with other cartridges - some larger; some smaller. On rib cage shots, deer standing still often dropped at the shot, but running deer rarely went down with that shot placement. They kept right on going to die after a short run. The cartridge and bullet didn't seem to make any difference in how far they went. I've also shot a bunch of large-bodied whitetails in northwestern Minnesota, all with a 12-gauge slug gun. The 1-1/4 ounce slugs do a good job, but even on deer that aren't all hyped up on adrenaline, the rib cag shots didn't knock them down reliably. I think they dropped more often than the Pennsylvania deer did, but often they would behave just like deer do when hit with an arrow. The results were far different when a shoulder was hit. We also hunted private land, and didn't want the deer to run onto a neighboring property after the shot. So, we made sure that we broke a shoulder with our shot, either on the way in or on the way out. Since these big slugs almost almost always came out the other side, this was pretty easy to accomplish. This messed up a lot of "grinding meat" but it beat losing the whole animal by far. We pretty quickly adopted the philosophy that if you want more bambi-burgers, just shoot more deer. That's what all those doe tags are for. [/QUOTE]
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