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250 grain Barnes tipped, no Blood?
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<blockquote data-quote="DartonJager" data-source="post: 2054378" data-attributes="member: 95733"><p>Allow me to offer my experiences using Barnes all copper ML bullets specifically the .451" 245 grain Spitfire, .451" 250 grain blue tipped boat tailed TMZ and .451"/250grn flat based T-EZ and the .451" 290 grain BT/TMZ and .451"/290grn flat based T-EZ</p><p>Best guess I have fired at least 500 (yes thats not a misprint 500) of each of the 245 Spitfires and 290grn TMZ's about 120ish of the 250grn TMZ's and about 125 of the flat based 290grn T-EZ's</p><p>I shot them all out of my Savage 10ML-II smokeless ML at velocities for the 245/250 bullets at anywhere from 2650 to over 2800fps the 290 grain bullets at a MV of between 2300 and 2400fps.</p><p>First thing I found out is you can not shoot a all copper Barnes ML belt fast enough to make come apart and fail. I have many of all the Barnes ML bullets I listed I recovered from the back stop dirt and DIY bullet testing media and over 95% were intact and retained over 95% of their original weight only when the bullet struck a rock in the backstop berm would the bullet loose one of its pettles</p><p>I feel it is extremely important to note I never once recovered a all copper Barnes ML bullet from anything that failed to fully expand to a textbook mushroom</p><p>Second the flat based were not only more accurate than the boat tailed ones they were easier to get to shoot accurately with less load development</p><p>I shot them all out to 300 yards and all gave more than adequate hunting accuracy but the flat based versions of the 290grn T-EZ with their longer bearing surface gave very good and often excellent accuracy</p><p>I killed deer with the 245 Spitfire"s 290 BT/TMZ's and 290 FB/T-EZ's and the deer either were DRT or went less than 70 yards</p><p>If the shot was broadside of any type I got complete pass through every time only when I made a quartering shot where the bullet would enter after the last rib did the bullet remain in the deer and would end up lodged in the opposite shoulder which it usually broke</p><p>I can not say a single bad thing about Barnes all copper ML bullets the loads I used are as fallows:</p><p>290grn TMZ Knurled from .451 to .454-.455"</p><p>Harvester Red Crushed Ribbed Sabot</p><p>68 grains H-4198</p><p>Federal 209</p><p>Chronograph confirmed MV of 2364fps</p><p>245 Spitfire or 250 T-EZ both knurled same as above</p><p>70 grain of H4198</p><p>Harvester Red Crushed Sabot</p><p>Federal 209</p><p>Chronograph confirmed MV of 2680fps</p><p>I have shot at least 90% of the 45 caliber bullets suitable for use use in 50 cal MLS and none worked better for me than Barnes all copper ML bullets</p><p>Others that were as accurate and killed deer very well for me were:</p><p>.458" Barnes 300 grain Original SSP</p><p>THE Barnes Original or BO as it fans call it is an awesome ML bullet I never shot a more accurate ML bullet but they are kinda pricy</p><p>None of the fallowing bullets ever failed me and all shot very well out of both my 10ML-II and my 50 cal Encore using 85 grains by weight of BH209</p><p>.452" Hornady 300grn XTP</p><p>.452" Hornady 300grn XTP/MAG</p><p>.458" 325grn Hornady FTX</p><p></p><p>Bullets I shot that were very accurate but I only killed a few deer are:</p><p>.452" 300 grain T/C Bonded Shockwave</p><p>.458" 250 grain Hornady Mono Flex</p><p></p><p>If your not getting complete pass through with the Barnes then your not at a high enough velocity when the bullet impacts the animal.</p><p>If you absolutely must have complete pass through and are pushing bullets at the comparatively limited ML velocities and wish to take shots at the maximum effective range of a in line ML and take maximum quartering angle shots thats going to be difficult to accomplish .</p><p>My only suggestion would be to possibly try Barnes all copper 245 grain Spitfires or 250 grain Barnes all copper T-MZ ML bullets as you can most likely get over 2100fps MV and might have enough energy to get full pass through on broadside shots out to 200 yards but the bullet will still do well at close in under 50 yard shots.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DartonJager, post: 2054378, member: 95733"] Allow me to offer my experiences using Barnes all copper ML bullets specifically the .451" 245 grain Spitfire, .451" 250 grain blue tipped boat tailed TMZ and .451"/250grn flat based T-EZ and the .451" 290 grain BT/TMZ and .451"/290grn flat based T-EZ Best guess I have fired at least 500 (yes thats not a misprint 500) of each of the 245 Spitfires and 290grn TMZ's about 120ish of the 250grn TMZ's and about 125 of the flat based 290grn T-EZ's I shot them all out of my Savage 10ML-II smokeless ML at velocities for the 245/250 bullets at anywhere from 2650 to over 2800fps the 290 grain bullets at a MV of between 2300 and 2400fps. First thing I found out is you can not shoot a all copper Barnes ML belt fast enough to make come apart and fail. I have many of all the Barnes ML bullets I listed I recovered from the back stop dirt and DIY bullet testing media and over 95% were intact and retained over 95% of their original weight only when the bullet struck a rock in the backstop berm would the bullet loose one of its pettles I feel it is extremely important to note I never once recovered a all copper Barnes ML bullet from anything that failed to fully expand to a textbook mushroom Second the flat based were not only more accurate than the boat tailed ones they were easier to get to shoot accurately with less load development I shot them all out to 300 yards and all gave more than adequate hunting accuracy but the flat based versions of the 290grn T-EZ with their longer bearing surface gave very good and often excellent accuracy I killed deer with the 245 Spitfire"s 290 BT/TMZ's and 290 FB/T-EZ's and the deer either were DRT or went less than 70 yards If the shot was broadside of any type I got complete pass through every time only when I made a quartering shot where the bullet would enter after the last rib did the bullet remain in the deer and would end up lodged in the opposite shoulder which it usually broke I can not say a single bad thing about Barnes all copper ML bullets the loads I used are as fallows: 290grn TMZ Knurled from .451 to .454-.455" Harvester Red Crushed Ribbed Sabot 68 grains H-4198 Federal 209 Chronograph confirmed MV of 2364fps 245 Spitfire or 250 T-EZ both knurled same as above 70 grain of H4198 Harvester Red Crushed Sabot Federal 209 Chronograph confirmed MV of 2680fps I have shot at least 90% of the 45 caliber bullets suitable for use use in 50 cal MLS and none worked better for me than Barnes all copper ML bullets Others that were as accurate and killed deer very well for me were: .458" Barnes 300 grain Original SSP THE Barnes Original or BO as it fans call it is an awesome ML bullet I never shot a more accurate ML bullet but they are kinda pricy None of the fallowing bullets ever failed me and all shot very well out of both my 10ML-II and my 50 cal Encore using 85 grains by weight of BH209 .452" Hornady 300grn XTP .452" Hornady 300grn XTP/MAG .458" 325grn Hornady FTX Bullets I shot that were very accurate but I only killed a few deer are: .452" 300 grain T/C Bonded Shockwave .458" 250 grain Hornady Mono Flex If your not getting complete pass through with the Barnes then your not at a high enough velocity when the bullet impacts the animal. If you absolutely must have complete pass through and are pushing bullets at the comparatively limited ML velocities and wish to take shots at the maximum effective range of a in line ML and take maximum quartering angle shots thats going to be difficult to accomplish . My only suggestion would be to possibly try Barnes all copper 245 grain Spitfires or 250 grain Barnes all copper T-MZ ML bullets as you can most likely get over 2100fps MV and might have enough energy to get full pass through on broadside shots out to 200 yards but the bullet will still do well at close in under 50 yard shots. [/QUOTE]
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