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250 grain Barnes tipped, no Blood?
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<blockquote data-quote="RT2506" data-source="post: 2016640" data-attributes="member: 10178"><p>After shooting many hundred white tail deer over the past 46 years with about everything between a sharp stick and a 45-70 here is what I have learned. Shoot a deer in the heart and most of the time it will take off like a race horse out of the gate. There will not be much if any blood trail as it runs an average of 60 yards because there is nothing to pump the blood out with. </p><p>Shoot a deer in the mid to higher lungs if you get a pass threw you will see some spray blood droplets on the off side and if it runs, 70% of the time, there will be a thin blood trail for the first 25 or so yards until the chest cavity fills with blood for it to come out of the exit. If there is no exit the blood trail will usually come from blood out of the nose as a spray of fine droplets and some lung tissue may be mixed with not much blood coming out of the entrance because it takes time to fill the cavity up and fat and elasticity of the hide may plug the hole. </p><p>Shoot a deer lower in the lungs with an exit usually Ray Charles can trail it because the blood trail starts pretty quickly because the cavity does not have to fill up first. </p><p>Shoot a deer with a bullet in the center to upper portion of the front shoulder and 99% of the time they drop on the spot and you don't need to do any trailing. That is the shot I use because I don't like to crawl around in the swamp, cut over, green briar, off down a steep mountain hollow into a laurel thicket where there may be a sow bear with cubs.</p><p> </p><p>Here is a example that taught me that just because you have an HUGE EXIT hole you can have no blood trail. Back when the Berger VLD we starting to be praised as a great hunting bullet with in the tracks kills I got some 155 gr and loaded them up for my 30x47 cal rifle. Muzzle velocity 2600 fps. I shot a big doe at 111 yards almost broad side. She was broad side as I started my trigger squeeze but at the same moment the trigger broke she move forward. Bullet impact just clipped the back edge of the scapula and exited just behind the off side scapula. Deer squatted and took off out of the logging road into a VERY THICK pine and green briar cut over that had been clear cut 8 years previously. On the off side where the deer stood when shot for about 5 yards down the trail there was a spray of blood and lung tissue. From that spot on there was not a drop of blood that I could find and I was on my hands and knees crawling looking. There was a deer trail into the cut over that was the only way that deer could have gone because it was so thick. Crawling with a bright flash light down the trail I found the deer about 60 yards from the shooting spot. The deer was laying on the entrance side with the exit side facing up. The exit hole was so large that you could have literally dropped a baseball into the hole and it would not have touch hide. The deer sloshed on the inside. It looked like it's entire chest cavity contents had been run through a blender. The the exit hole was in the upper portion of the chest so nothing came out and the deer went down before the contents came out.</p><p> </p><p>By the way someone mentioned to up the velocity of your bullet to get an exit. That is not necessarily true. Depending on the bullet design, especially the sabot and pistol bullet, they are designed to operate at a certain velocity. If your velocity is greater than this it will expand too much or fragment and thus will be slowed by the larger expansion resistance or loss of mass because of fragmentation to exit. Slow these bullets down to the parameter of velocity design and they will usually exit. It is like the Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets that many poo poo. Trouble is they are running them in magnums that provide an impact velocity over there max impact design of 3100 fps. Slow the impact velocity down to under 2800 fps and they really start to shine. </p><p></p><p>Just some observations from an old fart.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RT2506, post: 2016640, member: 10178"] After shooting many hundred white tail deer over the past 46 years with about everything between a sharp stick and a 45-70 here is what I have learned. Shoot a deer in the heart and most of the time it will take off like a race horse out of the gate. There will not be much if any blood trail as it runs an average of 60 yards because there is nothing to pump the blood out with. Shoot a deer in the mid to higher lungs if you get a pass threw you will see some spray blood droplets on the off side and if it runs, 70% of the time, there will be a thin blood trail for the first 25 or so yards until the chest cavity fills with blood for it to come out of the exit. If there is no exit the blood trail will usually come from blood out of the nose as a spray of fine droplets and some lung tissue may be mixed with not much blood coming out of the entrance because it takes time to fill the cavity up and fat and elasticity of the hide may plug the hole. Shoot a deer lower in the lungs with an exit usually Ray Charles can trail it because the blood trail starts pretty quickly because the cavity does not have to fill up first. Shoot a deer with a bullet in the center to upper portion of the front shoulder and 99% of the time they drop on the spot and you don't need to do any trailing. That is the shot I use because I don't like to crawl around in the swamp, cut over, green briar, off down a steep mountain hollow into a laurel thicket where there may be a sow bear with cubs. Here is a example that taught me that just because you have an HUGE EXIT hole you can have no blood trail. Back when the Berger VLD we starting to be praised as a great hunting bullet with in the tracks kills I got some 155 gr and loaded them up for my 30x47 cal rifle. Muzzle velocity 2600 fps. I shot a big doe at 111 yards almost broad side. She was broad side as I started my trigger squeeze but at the same moment the trigger broke she move forward. Bullet impact just clipped the back edge of the scapula and exited just behind the off side scapula. Deer squatted and took off out of the logging road into a VERY THICK pine and green briar cut over that had been clear cut 8 years previously. On the off side where the deer stood when shot for about 5 yards down the trail there was a spray of blood and lung tissue. From that spot on there was not a drop of blood that I could find and I was on my hands and knees crawling looking. There was a deer trail into the cut over that was the only way that deer could have gone because it was so thick. Crawling with a bright flash light down the trail I found the deer about 60 yards from the shooting spot. The deer was laying on the entrance side with the exit side facing up. The exit hole was so large that you could have literally dropped a baseball into the hole and it would not have touch hide. The deer sloshed on the inside. It looked like it's entire chest cavity contents had been run through a blender. The the exit hole was in the upper portion of the chest so nothing came out and the deer went down before the contents came out. By the way someone mentioned to up the velocity of your bullet to get an exit. That is not necessarily true. Depending on the bullet design, especially the sabot and pistol bullet, they are designed to operate at a certain velocity. If your velocity is greater than this it will expand too much or fragment and thus will be slowed by the larger expansion resistance or loss of mass because of fragmentation to exit. Slow these bullets down to the parameter of velocity design and they will usually exit. It is like the Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets that many poo poo. Trouble is they are running them in magnums that provide an impact velocity over there max impact design of 3100 fps. Slow the impact velocity down to under 2800 fps and they really start to shine. Just some observations from an old fart. [/QUOTE]
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