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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 35605" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Lee E. Jurras,</p><p></p><p>From a strictly design aspect, I would agree that the Banshee is a better round. It is shorter and fatter then the STW but like you said, one can hardly complain about the STW performance with the cost of brass.</p><p></p><p>There are two very different schools of thought toward extreme range shooting that I have found over the years.</p><p></p><p>One is to use flat out Horse power to drive light bullets to hyper velocities and simply muscle them out to extreme range.</p><p></p><p>The other is to use high B.C., VLD bullets driven to good speeds(+3000 fps) and let the bullet do most of the work at extreme range.</p><p></p><p>While both views have their strong points and weak points, I will always fall onthe side of the high B.C. theory when ranges reach 1000 yards and certainly beyond.</p><p></p><p>I will admit that there are several rounds on the market and in the wildcat scene that will drive light bullet fast enough to reach out 1000 yards with reasonable consistancy.</p><p></p><p>Past that range, velocity hyper velocity means squat in my mind.</p><p></p><p>Most shooters that think velocity is the way to go really like the super flat trajectories they get by driving a 90 gr bullet to 4200 fps.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I care little about bullet drop, they all do it and after 600 yards, they all drop fast!!!</p><p></p><p>This is also extremely easy to predict and correct for so I do not feel bullet drop is a major concern as far as hitting a target at extreme range.</p><p></p><p>What is a problem is wind drift, which is always variable and never consistant to figure. Even form one point in flight compared to another.</p><p></p><p>This is why I use the high B.C. bullets. Even these get blown around by the wind but they are dramatically better then the light bullets even when driven several hundred fps faster then the heavies.</p><p></p><p>Give me a .6 to 1.05 B.C. bullet at 2700 to 3500 fps any day over a .3 to .5 B.C. bullet driven from 4300 to 3500 fps any day when shooting beyond 1000 yards.</p><p></p><p>The consistancy in the changing wind conditions will show the weaknesses of the light fast bullets.</p><p></p><p>As fat as the Banshee goes, no I have not built any yet. Before I got my STW reamer I designed a round using the RUM case shortened to 2.5" and blown out with a 35 degree shoulder.</p><p></p><p>This case would at least equal the case capacity of the STW and would allow this round to be chambered in any action that would handle an '06 length round, especially in single shot mode.</p><p></p><p>I may still make one of these but form dies would be pretty spendy. If i used a case like the 300 Dakota and just necked it down and improved it basically, it would be relatively simple except for the trouble of getting brass and the cost of full custom dies which is always a given with these rounds anyway.</p><p></p><p>Good SHooting!!!</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 35605, member: 10"] Lee E. Jurras, From a strictly design aspect, I would agree that the Banshee is a better round. It is shorter and fatter then the STW but like you said, one can hardly complain about the STW performance with the cost of brass. There are two very different schools of thought toward extreme range shooting that I have found over the years. One is to use flat out Horse power to drive light bullets to hyper velocities and simply muscle them out to extreme range. The other is to use high B.C., VLD bullets driven to good speeds(+3000 fps) and let the bullet do most of the work at extreme range. While both views have their strong points and weak points, I will always fall onthe side of the high B.C. theory when ranges reach 1000 yards and certainly beyond. I will admit that there are several rounds on the market and in the wildcat scene that will drive light bullet fast enough to reach out 1000 yards with reasonable consistancy. Past that range, velocity hyper velocity means squat in my mind. Most shooters that think velocity is the way to go really like the super flat trajectories they get by driving a 90 gr bullet to 4200 fps. Personally, I care little about bullet drop, they all do it and after 600 yards, they all drop fast!!! This is also extremely easy to predict and correct for so I do not feel bullet drop is a major concern as far as hitting a target at extreme range. What is a problem is wind drift, which is always variable and never consistant to figure. Even form one point in flight compared to another. This is why I use the high B.C. bullets. Even these get blown around by the wind but they are dramatically better then the light bullets even when driven several hundred fps faster then the heavies. Give me a .6 to 1.05 B.C. bullet at 2700 to 3500 fps any day over a .3 to .5 B.C. bullet driven from 4300 to 3500 fps any day when shooting beyond 1000 yards. The consistancy in the changing wind conditions will show the weaknesses of the light fast bullets. As fat as the Banshee goes, no I have not built any yet. Before I got my STW reamer I designed a round using the RUM case shortened to 2.5" and blown out with a 35 degree shoulder. This case would at least equal the case capacity of the STW and would allow this round to be chambered in any action that would handle an '06 length round, especially in single shot mode. I may still make one of these but form dies would be pretty spendy. If i used a case like the 300 Dakota and just necked it down and improved it basically, it would be relatively simple except for the trouble of getting brass and the cost of full custom dies which is always a given with these rounds anyway. Good SHooting!!! Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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