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<blockquote data-quote="D.Camilleri" data-source="post: 806160" data-attributes="member: 2567"><p>I have to agree with Broz on this issue. Last year I started shooting 300 gr Bergers in my 338 rum and took a big bodied bull elk at 550 yds. It was the quickest kill I have ever witnessed on an elk and I am comparing to numerous bulls I have killed with 225 nab's, 250 partitions and 210 barnes x's. The berger didn't exit, but what it did do right was go off like a grenade in the chest cavity. I also killed a mule deer at 620 and several antelope at 350+- (a little over kill for antelope) So the question now becomes, what makes more reliable quick clean kills, a grenade in the chest cavity or a in tact mushroomed bullet with full penetration? </p><p></p><p>For me, the jury is still out for what I want to have in my gun to stop a grizzly intent on proving he is the ultimate predator and using me for lunch. There is a local gunsmith by me who was stalked by a grizzly and attacked while he was watching a herd of elk. He was able to get to his 338 win mag after the first mauling and shot the bear point blank with a 200 gr balistic tip. He had bear blood mixed in with his blood as the bear attacked him again. He was able to get another shot into the bear and finished her, but it really brings up the question as to what will make the quickest kill. If I could be assured the Berger would penetrate the needed 3 to 4 inches and then grenade, I think this would be hard to beat. If the bullet hit the shoulder and grenaded though, it might not be the best. What about a full frontal skull shot?</p><p></p><p>Back to the accubonds, I have recovered one 225 from a quartering shot on a big muley at about 250 yards, DRT. Recovered the bullet in off side ham after breaking front shoulder. Since this was a high country hunt, we just quarter our animals and leave the carcass, so I didn't even look at the internal destruction, but it was plenty. The bullet recovered I would estimate at 60% weight retention. One thing that I believe makes the accubond kill well is the fact that it grenades with the frontal part of the bullet and the rear portion stays mostly intact. The total fragmentation of a bonded bullet would be a bullet failure to me and there seems to be some inconsistanies with the 225's. I have not experienced any such failures with my 225's.</p><p></p><p>I have yet to take an animal with the 215 berger's from my 300 ultra, but following Broz's recommendations, I will not hesitate. Last week I set up a target out in the badlands at 1040 yards. My first shot hit low and the target looked like it had been hit with #4 buck from a 12 gauge. If that is the damage that happens inside of an animal, it is deadly! My second shot was a little better, and I found a small piece of lead in the dirt, maybe only weighed about 30 gr and was very flat and deformed. </p><p></p><p>I am starting to believe that the way a Berger explodes makes the smaller calibers act more like a bigger caliber and makes the bigger caliber act like a really big caliber.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D.Camilleri, post: 806160, member: 2567"] I have to agree with Broz on this issue. Last year I started shooting 300 gr Bergers in my 338 rum and took a big bodied bull elk at 550 yds. It was the quickest kill I have ever witnessed on an elk and I am comparing to numerous bulls I have killed with 225 nab's, 250 partitions and 210 barnes x's. The berger didn't exit, but what it did do right was go off like a grenade in the chest cavity. I also killed a mule deer at 620 and several antelope at 350+- (a little over kill for antelope) So the question now becomes, what makes more reliable quick clean kills, a grenade in the chest cavity or a in tact mushroomed bullet with full penetration? For me, the jury is still out for what I want to have in my gun to stop a grizzly intent on proving he is the ultimate predator and using me for lunch. There is a local gunsmith by me who was stalked by a grizzly and attacked while he was watching a herd of elk. He was able to get to his 338 win mag after the first mauling and shot the bear point blank with a 200 gr balistic tip. He had bear blood mixed in with his blood as the bear attacked him again. He was able to get another shot into the bear and finished her, but it really brings up the question as to what will make the quickest kill. If I could be assured the Berger would penetrate the needed 3 to 4 inches and then grenade, I think this would be hard to beat. If the bullet hit the shoulder and grenaded though, it might not be the best. What about a full frontal skull shot? Back to the accubonds, I have recovered one 225 from a quartering shot on a big muley at about 250 yards, DRT. Recovered the bullet in off side ham after breaking front shoulder. Since this was a high country hunt, we just quarter our animals and leave the carcass, so I didn't even look at the internal destruction, but it was plenty. The bullet recovered I would estimate at 60% weight retention. One thing that I believe makes the accubond kill well is the fact that it grenades with the frontal part of the bullet and the rear portion stays mostly intact. The total fragmentation of a bonded bullet would be a bullet failure to me and there seems to be some inconsistanies with the 225's. I have not experienced any such failures with my 225's. I have yet to take an animal with the 215 berger's from my 300 ultra, but following Broz's recommendations, I will not hesitate. Last week I set up a target out in the badlands at 1040 yards. My first shot hit low and the target looked like it had been hit with #4 buck from a 12 gauge. If that is the damage that happens inside of an animal, it is deadly! My second shot was a little better, and I found a small piece of lead in the dirt, maybe only weighed about 30 gr and was very flat and deformed. I am starting to believe that the way a Berger explodes makes the smaller calibers act more like a bigger caliber and makes the bigger caliber act like a really big caliber. [/QUOTE]
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