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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 341160" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>First off, I hope no one misunderstands my comments regarding "standard" Rem 700's. I am not knocking them and they are no doubt a good rifle for the average hunter and that is the market that Remington produces them for. But this site is the LR Hunting site and 500 yds is what most here would consider the beginning of LR. Some would not consider it even that. </p><p> </p><p>I have two Senderos that shoot very well. The 300 RUM has shown me consistant accuracy in the .5 MOA range out to 500 so far and as of yet I haven't got it out farther than that but expect good things out of it. The 25-06 hasn't been shot out to 500 yet, but it shows slightly better accuracy potential (with a fire craked bore) than the 300 RUM. This is typical accuracy for Senderos. You do not hear or read this about BDL's, SPS's, etc. Once again... if you read the threads and posts on this site, which is a site dedicated to LR shootling and hunting you will find many, many posts about the good accuracy of Senderos and Savages. You will also find quite a few on Vanguartds and Howas. You will find precious little on BDL's and SPS's. The reason for this is that the cream naturally rises to the top.</p><p> </p><p>Most standard 700's come with plastic or wood stocks that are not pillar or full aluminum bedded stocks. This is NOT a good platform for relaible and consistant LR shooting from 600-1000 yds. They also have factory sporter contour barrels which are not the best set up for LR but typically work fine out to 500 yds. These rifles are just plain and simple not LR platforms by any stretch of the imagination and to make a long range shooter out of one will likely require replacing the stock and/or the barrel. You may find one now and then that shoots very well, but I very much doubt that you find any that consistantly shoot .5 MOA out 500 yds with little to no work other than load development, which is IMO, the minimum standard for a good LR rifle.</p><p> </p><p>The OP has stated that he has about $1000 to spend on a dedicated LR rfile. So my question to anyone here is, with that budget... what would you recommend? A Sendero, a Savage, a Sub MOA Vanguard or an SPS? I know what my answer would be and I know what I definitely would not advise. IMO, suggesting that an SPS is a good and likely LR platform is il-advised and will lead to a big disappointment. There is a reason that SPS's cost half as much as Snedoros and there is a reason that Senderos sell very well for twice as much. Think about it. Look at them both, handle both and shoot both.</p><p> </p><p>Mark</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 341160, member: 11717"] First off, I hope no one misunderstands my comments regarding "standard" Rem 700's. I am not knocking them and they are no doubt a good rifle for the average hunter and that is the market that Remington produces them for. But this site is the LR Hunting site and 500 yds is what most here would consider the beginning of LR. Some would not consider it even that. I have two Senderos that shoot very well. The 300 RUM has shown me consistant accuracy in the .5 MOA range out to 500 so far and as of yet I haven't got it out farther than that but expect good things out of it. The 25-06 hasn't been shot out to 500 yet, but it shows slightly better accuracy potential (with a fire craked bore) than the 300 RUM. This is typical accuracy for Senderos. You do not hear or read this about BDL's, SPS's, etc. Once again... if you read the threads and posts on this site, which is a site dedicated to LR shootling and hunting you will find many, many posts about the good accuracy of Senderos and Savages. You will also find quite a few on Vanguartds and Howas. You will find precious little on BDL's and SPS's. The reason for this is that the cream naturally rises to the top. Most standard 700's come with plastic or wood stocks that are not pillar or full aluminum bedded stocks. This is NOT a good platform for relaible and consistant LR shooting from 600-1000 yds. They also have factory sporter contour barrels which are not the best set up for LR but typically work fine out to 500 yds. These rifles are just plain and simple not LR platforms by any stretch of the imagination and to make a long range shooter out of one will likely require replacing the stock and/or the barrel. You may find one now and then that shoots very well, but I very much doubt that you find any that consistantly shoot .5 MOA out 500 yds with little to no work other than load development, which is IMO, the minimum standard for a good LR rifle. The OP has stated that he has about $1000 to spend on a dedicated LR rfile. So my question to anyone here is, with that budget... what would you recommend? A Sendero, a Savage, a Sub MOA Vanguard or an SPS? I know what my answer would be and I know what I definitely would not advise. IMO, suggesting that an SPS is a good and likely LR platform is il-advised and will lead to a big disappointment. There is a reason that SPS's cost half as much as Snedoros and there is a reason that Senderos sell very well for twice as much. Think about it. Look at them both, handle both and shoot both. Mark [/QUOTE]
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