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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 257752" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p>ATH,</p><p>Not that I give a tinker's **** about what you think, or about what you think I should do when it comes to MY HUNTING (I emphasize MY HUNTING because it's MINE) but your post does require corrections.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The 946 elk died from a kill shot. It matters NOT that there were previous shots. The elk was harvested.</p><p></p><p>The 1203 yard elk was a called head shot and the video proves it. Even if it wasn't, you are AGAIN worrying about the "what if's" instead of the "what are's". The "what are's" are fact. The fact is the elk was dead before it hit the ground and it was one shot one kill yet you still bitch about it. This is, by the way, you're holy grail of hunting isn't it? One shot one kill. Good for you but it doesn't always work like that. In this case it did and you still bitch.</p><p></p><p>The first elk of my hunt WAS NOT the same distance as the one I took. If you didn't have selective reading problems, then you would have seen it was almost 200 yards farther.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My rest problem was not something I could control. Again, if you didn't have selective reading problems, you would have read that the problem was not known UNTIL the actual firing process occured.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, I said I wanted to make a 1500 yard plus shot this year, not 1400. But I took the 1400 yard shot because it was doable and the 1500 wasn't. Again, selective reading problems.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You say: " The problem I see here is that unless you're shooting a ton of big game animals at this range that I have not seen the reports on, you have confidence in skill that does not exist at this range. Skill would be I don't see these reports of bad shots and misses year after year."</p><p></p><p>TO which I say: You have not seen all the reports and all the misses are learning experiences. ANd I will also point out AGAIN, I HAVE NEVER LOST A BIG GAME ANIMAL. I don't take shots I feel I can't make and if takes two shots then it takes two shots. It's worked and my record shows it. If its luck rather than skill, could have fooled me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>THis is not a correction, this is an observation. </p><p>You said: Would I let a miss stop me from trying again? That depends. At that range, heck yes. When my elk this year at half that distance did not react to the shots, my stomach sunk because that would have been the last long shot I tried until I got back to a range and figured out why the heck I was missing shots I should have been making. I respect the animals too much to keep slinging lead downrange with no idea why I am not connecting where intended.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I noticed you said "shots"". So you did break your one shot rule. You couldn't tell if the elk was hit yet you kept shooting? Hmmmmmmm.... how's that again?</p><p></p><p>Back to corrections:</p><p></p><p>On the 1203 yard elk, the other elk did run but not from fear of what was going on with being shot at. They ran because the cow's head exploded in such a loud "whop" that it scared them off. They probably never even heard the gunshot. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't aiming for the heart or lungs. I always aim for the shoulder--especially on elk. It's the only way to break them down. Heart punched elk can run 1/2 mile before dying. I know because I've seen it happen--twice! So hitting the shoulder on the first shot is my goal, but hitting the heart is also every bowhunters goal, breaking the wings is every pheasant hunter's goal, a headshot is every elephant hunters goal, and so on and so forth. </p><p></p><p>Oh, and by the way, I did make those first shots count. They helped me kill the elk.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The poor result you speak of is interesting. Dead animals, every year, at ranges I know and practice at. And not one loss. HMMMMM.........not sure what's so poor about that??</p><p></p><p></p><p>ANd I find it funny that you think you have to defend what long range hunting is on other sites but turn around and make more of stink than anyone else has here. If you had followed anything I have done lately, you would know that I gave up trying to be P.C. to the anti-hunters AND the anti-long range hunters. So I report the facts in honesty and I don't leave out the things that get guys like you all stirred up. Frankly, I just don't give a **** anymore. I don't give up because the first shot might not hit and I don't make any apologies for it. I follow through and get the job done MY WAY and that means to stick with it until the animal falls. And I'm not going to let naysayers win by obeying the way THEY think it should be. Quite frankly, I think quitting the hunt because the first shot missed is just that---quitting. And you are being terribly dishonest to act like anyone in their right mind is going to stop the hunt because the first shot missed. Especially on a trophy animal. </p><p></p><p>I just hope you have the balls to come on here and tell everyone that you gut shot an elk at 800 yards and let it go because you forgot to adjust your parallax or your shooting sticks popped just as you pulled the trigger, or when your gloves set off your trigger, or something like that happened that you couldn't control and you didn't want to follow up on the elk because it would break your one shot rule. But then again, if you did have the kahoonies to do so, you would be doing it on a prison computer because you are required by law to finish off and retrieve any mortally wounded animal you shoot at and any fishcop in the world isn't going to go nice on you just because "you only fired one shot".</p><p></p><p>Tell you what, if you can publicly agree (or admit) that you will only take one cartridge with you on every hunt you go on from now until you die, I will forget about the above paragraph and we'll just brush it under the rug. That's fair isn't it? You shouldn't have any problem with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 257752, member: 2852"] ATH, Not that I give a tinker's **** about what you think, or about what you think I should do when it comes to MY HUNTING (I emphasize MY HUNTING because it's MINE) but your post does require corrections. The 946 elk died from a kill shot. It matters NOT that there were previous shots. The elk was harvested. The 1203 yard elk was a called head shot and the video proves it. Even if it wasn't, you are AGAIN worrying about the "what if's" instead of the "what are's". The "what are's" are fact. The fact is the elk was dead before it hit the ground and it was one shot one kill yet you still bitch about it. This is, by the way, you're holy grail of hunting isn't it? One shot one kill. Good for you but it doesn't always work like that. In this case it did and you still bitch. The first elk of my hunt WAS NOT the same distance as the one I took. If you didn't have selective reading problems, then you would have seen it was almost 200 yards farther. My rest problem was not something I could control. Again, if you didn't have selective reading problems, you would have read that the problem was not known UNTIL the actual firing process occured. Actually, I said I wanted to make a 1500 yard plus shot this year, not 1400. But I took the 1400 yard shot because it was doable and the 1500 wasn't. Again, selective reading problems. You say: " The problem I see here is that unless you're shooting a ton of big game animals at this range that I have not seen the reports on, you have confidence in skill that does not exist at this range. Skill would be I don't see these reports of bad shots and misses year after year." TO which I say: You have not seen all the reports and all the misses are learning experiences. ANd I will also point out AGAIN, I HAVE NEVER LOST A BIG GAME ANIMAL. I don't take shots I feel I can't make and if takes two shots then it takes two shots. It's worked and my record shows it. If its luck rather than skill, could have fooled me. THis is not a correction, this is an observation. You said: Would I let a miss stop me from trying again? That depends. At that range, heck yes. When my elk this year at half that distance did not react to the shots, my stomach sunk because that would have been the last long shot I tried until I got back to a range and figured out why the heck I was missing shots I should have been making. I respect the animals too much to keep slinging lead downrange with no idea why I am not connecting where intended. I noticed you said "shots"". So you did break your one shot rule. You couldn't tell if the elk was hit yet you kept shooting? Hmmmmmmm.... how's that again? Back to corrections: On the 1203 yard elk, the other elk did run but not from fear of what was going on with being shot at. They ran because the cow's head exploded in such a loud "whop" that it scared them off. They probably never even heard the gunshot. I wasn't aiming for the heart or lungs. I always aim for the shoulder--especially on elk. It's the only way to break them down. Heart punched elk can run 1/2 mile before dying. I know because I've seen it happen--twice! So hitting the shoulder on the first shot is my goal, but hitting the heart is also every bowhunters goal, breaking the wings is every pheasant hunter's goal, a headshot is every elephant hunters goal, and so on and so forth. Oh, and by the way, I did make those first shots count. They helped me kill the elk. The poor result you speak of is interesting. Dead animals, every year, at ranges I know and practice at. And not one loss. HMMMMM.........not sure what's so poor about that?? ANd I find it funny that you think you have to defend what long range hunting is on other sites but turn around and make more of stink than anyone else has here. If you had followed anything I have done lately, you would know that I gave up trying to be P.C. to the anti-hunters AND the anti-long range hunters. So I report the facts in honesty and I don't leave out the things that get guys like you all stirred up. Frankly, I just don't give a **** anymore. I don't give up because the first shot might not hit and I don't make any apologies for it. I follow through and get the job done MY WAY and that means to stick with it until the animal falls. And I'm not going to let naysayers win by obeying the way THEY think it should be. Quite frankly, I think quitting the hunt because the first shot missed is just that---quitting. And you are being terribly dishonest to act like anyone in their right mind is going to stop the hunt because the first shot missed. Especially on a trophy animal. I just hope you have the balls to come on here and tell everyone that you gut shot an elk at 800 yards and let it go because you forgot to adjust your parallax or your shooting sticks popped just as you pulled the trigger, or when your gloves set off your trigger, or something like that happened that you couldn't control and you didn't want to follow up on the elk because it would break your one shot rule. But then again, if you did have the kahoonies to do so, you would be doing it on a prison computer because you are required by law to finish off and retrieve any mortally wounded animal you shoot at and any fishcop in the world isn't going to go nice on you just because "you only fired one shot". Tell you what, if you can publicly agree (or admit) that you will only take one cartridge with you on every hunt you go on from now until you die, I will forget about the above paragraph and we'll just brush it under the rug. That's fair isn't it? You shouldn't have any problem with that. 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