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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 257085" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p>ATH,</p><p></p><p>I do remember your posts from years ago and although your knowledge of this sport has increased, you still sound the same. I don't mean that in a negative way, just simply that you are complaining of things that, quite frankly, you couldn't possibly understand because you weren't there. I guess it goes back to the old saying of giving a guy the benefit of the doubt. Although I do my best to remember the details and to try to incorporate as many of them into my story as I can, I sometimes leave things out by accident. Well that and I simply don't have the time I would like to write before my computer times me out.</p><p> </p><p>As to your points, they are legitimate and you are obviously entitled to your opinion. However, be mindful that you may not be in total possession of all the facts. One of which is the "sighter" point you made. Actually, there were no sighters. It is called a miss. A miss with the added benefit of being able to see where it would miss if it did so. The shot would not have been taken if this luxury was not present.</p><p></p><p>Why did the first shot miss on the first elk? I explained that already but here it is again. My scope bottomed out 100 yards before the desired distance. But I knew my drops in inches for the difference and the elk were in an area they really could not get out of. So I estimated my hold based off my reticle and tried a shot. Clean miss. Then the elk started moving further and further out and they got to a point where I knew I couldn't hit them. Know, if they'd stayed in the original spot, I could have probably killed the elk, but they just meandered out of range. "Then why did you attempt the shot?" I can hear you think. Well, like you already mentioned, at that range, the animals just stand there and don't know what to do. The sound is so faint that they don't associate it with danger. So I knew I'd have a couple chances if needed and also, as already mentioned, they were in a steep muddy area with a good background and my spotter could see everything that happened. It was actually a better set up than what 99% of the elk taken by the other 99% of people are subjected to. </p><p></p><p></p><p>On the second elk (the one I killed) I only hinted at the reason why I felt I missed the first shot. If you look at the pictures, you will see that for the first elk, I set up on hard packed snow with my rifle rest and the angle was shallower. But on the second elk, we were in fresh snow and I could not make the rest or the bipods work. So I flipped the sled over to use as a shooting bench. And the angle was steeper now. So I had to use sandbags piled up on top of the rest, on top of the sled. Well, this seemed pretty steady but I felt the plastic "bounce" under the recoil of the rifle and anyone who knows anything about precision shooting knows that the rifle must recoil consistently for any kind of consistent accuracy. It is magnified with a heavy kicker like my gun. This caused the shot to hit low and there was no way to know about this until I tried it. Then, as you read, the next four shots were all vital shots and grouped quite well because I knew how to hold the gun to compensate for the bouncy rest.</p><p></p><p>The next thing I omitted from my story was the fact that these elk were in an area that made them vulnerable. The snow in their escape routes was belly deep and they just stayed within a quarter mile of the same area for a month. I was prepared to track them down if needed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As to the gut shot elk that was killed earlier (I can't believe we're still hashing this but I'll humor you) the gut shot was followed by a kill shot not more than 20 seconds later and the elk died. It was killed by someone under my supervision and under similar circumstances. It was no different than someone gut shooting a running elk at 200 yards and then putting the next bullet where it counted to kill it. Only difference is the numbers. </p><p>ANd that elk has long since been eaten so enough of that......... </p><p></p><p></p><p>As to the other animals you mention, I don't know what you're talking about. Must have been someone else.</p><p></p><p>As to your suggestion of killing a few more rockchucks to practice before I go after big game, again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I kill plenty of chucks and shoot plenty of gongs but that won't always prepare you for everything you can encounter. You have to be flexible and push the envelope all the time. If you don't have confidence in your abilities to make perfect hits in perfect conditions AND confidence to correct mistakes when things don't go as planned, then you need to find another sport.</p><p></p><p>I think you could ask RHB or my pops if there was ever a moment during my hunt when they felt we wouldn't be able to pull this off and they'd both give you a resounding, "NO". And I'd lay you 10 to 1 odds I could do it again tomorrow if needed. It was no surprise to us because we know how many rockchucks, prairie dogs, and gongs have been used to sharpen our skills.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, I have some questions for you ATH. Now that you've extended your personal range (by your own admittance of gleaning info from this site) and you have been enlightened as to the possiblilities, can you look me in the eye and tell me you've never had anything not go your way in the field? Can you have the only perfect hunting career known to man? Can you hit a target at 800 yards with whatever gun you use on the first shot every time? If you can, then it's because of things you've learned on this site and possibly others. But if ever you don't have a perfect day, you can remember that none of the rest of us are perfect either but we make the best of it. But anyway you want to look at it, I know and you know that you're not going to try another shot because the first one missed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 257085, member: 2852"] ATH, I do remember your posts from years ago and although your knowledge of this sport has increased, you still sound the same. I don't mean that in a negative way, just simply that you are complaining of things that, quite frankly, you couldn't possibly understand because you weren't there. I guess it goes back to the old saying of giving a guy the benefit of the doubt. Although I do my best to remember the details and to try to incorporate as many of them into my story as I can, I sometimes leave things out by accident. Well that and I simply don't have the time I would like to write before my computer times me out. As to your points, they are legitimate and you are obviously entitled to your opinion. However, be mindful that you may not be in total possession of all the facts. One of which is the "sighter" point you made. Actually, there were no sighters. It is called a miss. A miss with the added benefit of being able to see where it would miss if it did so. The shot would not have been taken if this luxury was not present. Why did the first shot miss on the first elk? I explained that already but here it is again. My scope bottomed out 100 yards before the desired distance. But I knew my drops in inches for the difference and the elk were in an area they really could not get out of. So I estimated my hold based off my reticle and tried a shot. Clean miss. Then the elk started moving further and further out and they got to a point where I knew I couldn't hit them. Know, if they'd stayed in the original spot, I could have probably killed the elk, but they just meandered out of range. "Then why did you attempt the shot?" I can hear you think. Well, like you already mentioned, at that range, the animals just stand there and don't know what to do. The sound is so faint that they don't associate it with danger. So I knew I'd have a couple chances if needed and also, as already mentioned, they were in a steep muddy area with a good background and my spotter could see everything that happened. It was actually a better set up than what 99% of the elk taken by the other 99% of people are subjected to. On the second elk (the one I killed) I only hinted at the reason why I felt I missed the first shot. If you look at the pictures, you will see that for the first elk, I set up on hard packed snow with my rifle rest and the angle was shallower. But on the second elk, we were in fresh snow and I could not make the rest or the bipods work. So I flipped the sled over to use as a shooting bench. And the angle was steeper now. So I had to use sandbags piled up on top of the rest, on top of the sled. Well, this seemed pretty steady but I felt the plastic "bounce" under the recoil of the rifle and anyone who knows anything about precision shooting knows that the rifle must recoil consistently for any kind of consistent accuracy. It is magnified with a heavy kicker like my gun. This caused the shot to hit low and there was no way to know about this until I tried it. Then, as you read, the next four shots were all vital shots and grouped quite well because I knew how to hold the gun to compensate for the bouncy rest. The next thing I omitted from my story was the fact that these elk were in an area that made them vulnerable. The snow in their escape routes was belly deep and they just stayed within a quarter mile of the same area for a month. I was prepared to track them down if needed. As to the gut shot elk that was killed earlier (I can't believe we're still hashing this but I'll humor you) the gut shot was followed by a kill shot not more than 20 seconds later and the elk died. It was killed by someone under my supervision and under similar circumstances. It was no different than someone gut shooting a running elk at 200 yards and then putting the next bullet where it counted to kill it. Only difference is the numbers. ANd that elk has long since been eaten so enough of that......... As to the other animals you mention, I don't know what you're talking about. Must have been someone else. As to your suggestion of killing a few more rockchucks to practice before I go after big game, again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I kill plenty of chucks and shoot plenty of gongs but that won't always prepare you for everything you can encounter. You have to be flexible and push the envelope all the time. If you don't have confidence in your abilities to make perfect hits in perfect conditions AND confidence to correct mistakes when things don't go as planned, then you need to find another sport. I think you could ask RHB or my pops if there was ever a moment during my hunt when they felt we wouldn't be able to pull this off and they'd both give you a resounding, "NO". And I'd lay you 10 to 1 odds I could do it again tomorrow if needed. It was no surprise to us because we know how many rockchucks, prairie dogs, and gongs have been used to sharpen our skills. Now, I have some questions for you ATH. Now that you've extended your personal range (by your own admittance of gleaning info from this site) and you have been enlightened as to the possiblilities, can you look me in the eye and tell me you've never had anything not go your way in the field? Can you have the only perfect hunting career known to man? Can you hit a target at 800 yards with whatever gun you use on the first shot every time? If you can, then it's because of things you've learned on this site and possibly others. But if ever you don't have a perfect day, you can remember that none of the rest of us are perfect either but we make the best of it. But anyway you want to look at it, I know and you know that you're not going to try another shot because the first one missed. [/QUOTE]
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