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131 ace vs 195 eol vs 215 hybrid
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<blockquote data-quote="257 Blackjack" data-source="post: 1586999" data-attributes="member: 106220"><p>I wanted to check the 25 Cal Handicap for guys running 25 SST/SAUM/PRC and ran the numbers on some common cartridges you see at the Nightforce Q Creek ELR match held annually. Turns out the 25 SST will run with the best of em.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>The Applied Ballistics WEZ Hit Probability shows guys running Short Action Mags with 131 ACE's will fair just fine... There's a broad assumption that a guy needs a 338 Lapua or Super Mag 7mm to put rounds on target to 2000 yards. For putting energy on a living target or soft armored target that may be true, but for scoring points and winning a match with Target Flashers it is not.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]124963[/ATTACH] </p><p></p><p>Overall the 131 ACE fairs quite well launched from a SST, SAUM, or PRC with 60-65 grains of powder compared to bigger cases like 28 Nosler or 300 Norma with 83-93 grains of powder.</p><p></p><p>Some guys can drive the higher recoil rifles just fine but I know for me I will shoot the 10 lb recoil Short Mag setup better than the 21-32# recoil coming from the bigger Long Action Magnums.</p><p></p><p>Each of these cartridges can be ran 50-100 fps faster with powders and different barrel lengths but overall a very fair horse race. I don't mind coming in at 2nd in Wind in this setup considering how much less powder and recoil a guy has to accept to come out ahead.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]124821[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]124824[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To saddle up in High Performance 25 Cal a guy will need a 1:7.5" Twist Blank like those coming in early April from <a href="https://www.facebook.com/bartleinbarrels/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARCeDGnVc7fHjuLNUAyIebtnYdTxd7z33kcaSBPsRZDh8qnbDqMulI2Npzc_DEAL7sF4wI0cbNjInHFz&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY" target="_blank">Bartlein Barrels, Inc</a> & <a href="https://www.facebook.com/HawkHillCustom/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARC22KimiRk0BuQunKx1HmI5UdWERH5rNAaqdvNF7JcDDNRBGKPNElgoGgiVn-QHUjH4-dzYj1x67F0c&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY" target="_blank">Hawk Hill Custom</a> & <a href="https://www.facebook.com/rockcreekbarrels/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARDTrW2t7WroUDQn0gkF7clzuMT9HEZmC3I1NEMipEhYEpfqrMBExyF8LsmYaEtiSApR6CriNo8wjWqT&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY" target="_blank">Rock Creek Barrels, Inc.</a> & <a href="https://www.facebook.com/blakebarrelandrifle/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARC4Rwv2oqNUB-8H9fF7oD1xSbBnOEyRC6U9Hp-mXxZZVKN2ylzQAidZqnxgpGia8dXSOu-1zW6sJeG8&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY" target="_blank">Blake Barrel And Rifle</a> and a 25x284 (3100-3200 fps), 25 SAUM (3250-3350+), 25 PRC, or 257 WBY (3300-3400+) Reamer which are all coming in about 1-2 months from JGS and Manson</p><p></p><p>The Bartleins and Reamers are selling F A S T !!!</p><p></p><p>We ordered as many as we could afford knowing how the last batch sold out.</p><p></p><p>We originally put up $10,000 for the top shooter running Blackjack Bullets if he or she Wins, but I wanted to give everyone with a quarterbore a shot at some $$$, so here's a pic of the $2,570.00 I pulled for the Top Blackjack Bullets shooter no matter where they place in the match</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]124823[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>I truly hope 25 cal wins this year and jumpstarts the realization of what it can do in both Long Range Hunting and in the Competition theater.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="257 Blackjack, post: 1586999, member: 106220"] I wanted to check the 25 Cal Handicap for guys running 25 SST/SAUM/PRC and ran the numbers on some common cartridges you see at the Nightforce Q Creek ELR match held annually. Turns out the 25 SST will run with the best of em. --- The Applied Ballistics WEZ Hit Probability shows guys running Short Action Mags with 131 ACE's will fair just fine... There's a broad assumption that a guy needs a 338 Lapua or Super Mag 7mm to put rounds on target to 2000 yards. For putting energy on a living target or soft armored target that may be true, but for scoring points and winning a match with Target Flashers it is not. [ATTACH=full]124963[/ATTACH] Overall the 131 ACE fairs quite well launched from a SST, SAUM, or PRC with 60-65 grains of powder compared to bigger cases like 28 Nosler or 300 Norma with 83-93 grains of powder. Some guys can drive the higher recoil rifles just fine but I know for me I will shoot the 10 lb recoil Short Mag setup better than the 21-32# recoil coming from the bigger Long Action Magnums. Each of these cartridges can be ran 50-100 fps faster with powders and different barrel lengths but overall a very fair horse race. I don't mind coming in at 2nd in Wind in this setup considering how much less powder and recoil a guy has to accept to come out ahead. [ATTACH=full]124821[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]124824[/ATTACH] To saddle up in High Performance 25 Cal a guy will need a 1:7.5" Twist Blank like those coming in early April from [URL='https://www.facebook.com/bartleinbarrels/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARCeDGnVc7fHjuLNUAyIebtnYdTxd7z33kcaSBPsRZDh8qnbDqMulI2Npzc_DEAL7sF4wI0cbNjInHFz&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY']Bartlein Barrels, Inc[/URL] & [URL='https://www.facebook.com/HawkHillCustom/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARC22KimiRk0BuQunKx1HmI5UdWERH5rNAaqdvNF7JcDDNRBGKPNElgoGgiVn-QHUjH4-dzYj1x67F0c&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY']Hawk Hill Custom[/URL] & [URL='https://www.facebook.com/rockcreekbarrels/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARDTrW2t7WroUDQn0gkF7clzuMT9HEZmC3I1NEMipEhYEpfqrMBExyF8LsmYaEtiSApR6CriNo8wjWqT&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY']Rock Creek Barrels, Inc.[/URL] & [URL='https://www.facebook.com/blakebarrelandrifle/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARC4Rwv2oqNUB-8H9fF7oD1xSbBnOEyRC6U9Hp-mXxZZVKN2ylzQAidZqnxgpGia8dXSOu-1zW6sJeG8&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAnxRpzKk4Mf-jzkA6Adoq41aSKT0N7Unikalyi-2fluDGjcqnb9ubnVxzxZUY2GdGPCozeL-8SsEVQe18Mi5ii3k-bxCU5eHhKWzpPQpvNsoxEpWMTZsSDteYBiv_mFLhB8D-0oRgSkcdFVP0itZimZ6HSsMHeLXeW8pOAgmZN6yZ_04MQ-QJ2nXJJYKkbrgfXp3p3cMdD-S9bE-YWyiLQ_ZBROtbph64bkRFIbImqUgTYejbqZuWnb_xqlfyyrjSMJv1K5oSHYaAK5gbEgMbQB-tDUsw6KQ1pVun37IpRgUsngNHjh0Jn_0f-IwIho7q22o-xZK7ST90thufwMo1j-RdY']Blake Barrel And Rifle[/URL] and a 25x284 (3100-3200 fps), 25 SAUM (3250-3350+), 25 PRC, or 257 WBY (3300-3400+) Reamer which are all coming in about 1-2 months from JGS and Manson The Bartleins and Reamers are selling F A S T !!! We ordered as many as we could afford knowing how the last batch sold out. We originally put up $10,000 for the top shooter running Blackjack Bullets if he or she Wins, but I wanted to give everyone with a quarterbore a shot at some $$$, so here's a pic of the $2,570.00 I pulled for the Top Blackjack Bullets shooter no matter where they place in the match [ATTACH=full]124823[/ATTACH] I truly hope 25 cal wins this year and jumpstarts the realization of what it can do in both Long Range Hunting and in the Competition theater. [/QUOTE]
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