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<blockquote data-quote="436" data-source="post: 2664588" data-attributes="member: 16609"><p>So, after I got my head back on straight... I was just thinking, if I had a .37" inch near .38" inch projectile, weighing in at 128grs and at a velocity of 1200 fps, which was rounded not pointed, what would be near its performance level? Perhaps a 9mm or a weak .357 Mag in that weight of bullet 128gr? Granted tungsten has a much harder density than lead and copper. </p><p></p><p>Looking at distances; let's use the 30 yards mentioned rather than 10 yards... so in your experience and/or you've tested the tungsten load and got a 3" inch spread at 10 yards, Ok... then let's call it 9" at 30 yards, I think it would be larger at 30 yards, I'd think at 30 yards you might be looking at 20" to 25" inches of spread, but... we'll go with a pie plate size of 9" plus. </p><p></p><p>Back to the tungsten buckshot, .38 cal 128gr at 1200 fps, I'd say even from a handgun with that muzzle velocity would be a pretty weak load at 30 yards... granted you have more than one buckshot, but... they aren't hitting one behind the other so to speak... this doesn't seem to be an advantage over a Brenneke hard cast 602gr slug at 1502 fps and 3014 fpe with something in the order of 2" groups at 50 yards, that I have tested from my rifle barreled Ithica M37... and I was kind of thinking if the 10 yards group for the tungsten buckshot was 3" and the Brenneke, well it's diameter .72" inch with a semi pointed projectile, I'd think the possible miss factor(s) might be near the same, but... penetration is definitely on the side of the hard cast 12ga slug. </p><p></p><p>Now I'm speaking from an observation position on the subject, obviously, your experience plays into this conversation with a lot of authority, you live there and you have Bears we have black Teddy bears near where I am. But... I have traveled and fished the backcountry of Alaska over the years and from what I could gather at the time the slug was my best choice for what I was doing, yeah... if I was hunting big Grizz or Browns I'd have a big rifle, low end .375 H&H I have lived in Grizz country when we live in Idaho and most folks packed a fruit salad of firearms there for bear. I'm not trying to change your mind, as I said, you have what seems to be a lot of knowledge on the bear subject, I'm just having a conversation with another hunter. Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="436, post: 2664588, member: 16609"] So, after I got my head back on straight... I was just thinking, if I had a .37" inch near .38" inch projectile, weighing in at 128grs and at a velocity of 1200 fps, which was rounded not pointed, what would be near its performance level? Perhaps a 9mm or a weak .357 Mag in that weight of bullet 128gr? Granted tungsten has a much harder density than lead and copper. Looking at distances; let's use the 30 yards mentioned rather than 10 yards... so in your experience and/or you've tested the tungsten load and got a 3" inch spread at 10 yards, Ok... then let's call it 9" at 30 yards, I think it would be larger at 30 yards, I'd think at 30 yards you might be looking at 20" to 25" inches of spread, but... we'll go with a pie plate size of 9" plus. Back to the tungsten buckshot, .38 cal 128gr at 1200 fps, I'd say even from a handgun with that muzzle velocity would be a pretty weak load at 30 yards... granted you have more than one buckshot, but... they aren't hitting one behind the other so to speak... this doesn't seem to be an advantage over a Brenneke hard cast 602gr slug at 1502 fps and 3014 fpe with something in the order of 2" groups at 50 yards, that I have tested from my rifle barreled Ithica M37... and I was kind of thinking if the 10 yards group for the tungsten buckshot was 3" and the Brenneke, well it's diameter .72" inch with a semi pointed projectile, I'd think the possible miss factor(s) might be near the same, but... penetration is definitely on the side of the hard cast 12ga slug. Now I'm speaking from an observation position on the subject, obviously, your experience plays into this conversation with a lot of authority, you live there and you have Bears we have black Teddy bears near where I am. But... I have traveled and fished the backcountry of Alaska over the years and from what I could gather at the time the slug was my best choice for what I was doing, yeah... if I was hunting big Grizz or Browns I'd have a big rifle, low end .375 H&H I have lived in Grizz country when we live in Idaho and most folks packed a fruit salad of firearms there for bear. I'm not trying to change your mind, as I said, you have what seems to be a lot of knowledge on the bear subject, I'm just having a conversation with another hunter. Cheers [/QUOTE]
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