Tight lipped and ashen faced re 338 LM at Silverdale

Discussion in 'Australia, New Zealand' started by btm_54, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. btm_54

    btm_54 Well-Known Member

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    I was at Silverdale yesterday and noticed a new sign on the office window
    Not allowed
    50 bmg
    416 Barret
    338 LM
    Signed the management.

    The last time I was there I did not have a problem with my 338LM.
    Looks like its time to push forward the 408 Cheytac and the 338 Edge projects.
    Cheers,
    btm_54
     
  2. Topshot

    Topshot Well-Known Member

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    The Management obviously wont be happy until everyone shoots .223"s
    Ask them why? It sounds like bias to me.
    Big rifle shooters need to start their own lobby group and get their own range or they won't have anywhere to shoot at all..
    Then they can tell Silverdale to stick it!!!!
     

  3. JAWZ

    JAWZ Well-Known Member

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    Mate i am pretty shaw it is to do with what they are licenced for and that is a max of 8mm .
    Lucky for me i have an edge on the way :)rolleyes:) and and the brass is obviously headstamped 300 RUM that will confuse them for a while. :D
     
  4. btm_54

    btm_54 Well-Known Member

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    I can shoot my 375 H&H but not the aforesaid calibers.
    It must have something to do with the management not having the Kahoona's to trust their safety footprint is big enough.
    btm_54
     
  5. BIG MICK

    BIG MICK Active Member

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    I shoot my edge there all the time, and i also saw that stupid notice on the office window. What they dont like is brakes, whats the diff between 338 ultra, 338 edge, 338lm, 300 ultra etc etc etc. They all burn a similar amount of powder. My head stamp also reads 300 rem ultra mag, those dopes will have to learn to read a vernier caliper to put us edge boys out of business.
     
  6. Aussie Mike

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    the dumbest thing is that you cant shoot the .338 at silverdale but you can shoot them at st marys. WTF? i have a .338 rum that needs sighting in and some chrony time and now have to go to canberra to use their ranges. i am also considering canceling my membership with the SSAA. there does not seem to be any advantage for me to be part of them.
     
  7. iggy

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    In the NSW Range Users Guide of December 2008 Draft 7 the maximum centrefire rifle calibres mentioned are .308 [& .303]. In Section 9 Annexure B - Template Design Options the maximum muzzle velocity listed is 4100 fps & the maximum muzzle energy is 4182 ft/lb. These parameters are used to calculate the required safety templates for each range.

    I can appreciate your frustration in not being able to use your 338 LM. I would check your ME & go to the range managers & see if you can get a clearance to use your rifle. I understand here in VIC there is a calibre limit of 8 mm for 'safety' reasons.
     
  8. tackb

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    in the uk here you are allowed 3275fps and 7000j of energy which would be fine for .338 LM , BUT they have specifically restricted that cartridge and only the army can use them on those ranges? and they have now made a new rule that means you have to do a special test at the start of shooting with anything over 4500j which is fine if you have a target type rifle with this power but what if you wanted to shoot a 500ne double rifle? not really much good at 200m which is the range you have to do test!!!

    once again our very own NRA has bowed to pressure and sold anybody who's not a bullseye style shooter down the river just like semi auto rifles and then handguns......

    shooting in england is doomed thanks to these weak short sighted people.....

    oh, and even people who've been shooting for 30 years safely have to be signed as safe by the club secretary even though the secretary may not have seen them for a couple of years ? go figure that one out!!!!!
     
  9. milanuk

    milanuk Well-Known Member

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    Actually... the 'High Muzzle Energy' restrictions cause some grief even for 'bullseye' shooters - a .308 Winchester driving a 155gr projectile @ anything even slightly over 3100fps runs afoul of that limit. A couple people on the U.S. team over visiting Bisley recently had to de-tune their loads a bit to stay under that limit.

    As mentioned, the reason is to provide some documentation that the range is doing its part to make sure bullets stay on the property and avoid litigation from outside bodies (in general, not sure about the MoD issues); other places it has to do with the big gonzo calibers just plain tearing up the backstops. The problem is that as with most 'one size fits all' policies, its not always thought through all the way, or the people implementing it never dreamed of what seem to us (after the fact) like perfectly obvious scenarios where the rule is overly restrictive or just plain silly (to us).

    Instead of being a smart a$$ and circumventing the rules by way of headstamp (as someone mentioned earlier), I'd get in touch with the people making the rules, find out exactly what the objections are. See if you can find a way to talk to them, and explain your case (hopefully without getting *other* calibers banned as well). Get like minded shooters together and start lobbying, then boycotting if necessary. Try to work with the club to get the necessary down-range impact area purchased, etc.

    In short, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
     
  10. tackb

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    you wouldn't have to detune your loads you would just have to shoot the new HME test ?

    I sympathise with the guy who made the 'smart a$$' comments (your words) if you look into the history of firearms regulations in the uk you would be shocked to see some of the nonsense that has been forced upon us!

    unfortunatly we don't have the freedoms you have in america with regards to firearms,which is our fault because we didn't make enough fuss in the beggining!

    I am part of the solution by supporting any group that fights for our freedom as law abiding citizens unfortunatly our NRA is nothing like yours in america and in my humble opinion have been rather complicit in our current ridiculous situation, I am voting with my money by not joining our NRA until there is a major shake up and they really start to support ALL forms of shooting be that 50m smallbore bullseye or people who just plain enjoy shooting large rifles at long range.

    Until we unite and lose the 'i'm alright that new reg doesn't affect me' attitude we will continue to lose our shooting freedoms one at a time......

    sorry if it comes accross as a rant but during the last 20 years i've had my sport restricted more and more through no fault of mine. For example one guy goes mad and kills a lot of people , solution 'ban guns' people are killed with um say golf clubs every year but they don't ban them or even license them ? the same with knifes?

    guns don't kill people , people kill people!

    hope you got on well at bisley ? with any luck you came second to the UK team?
     
  11. tackb

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    oh , and the NRA were set to do nothing about the HME regulations until they worked out that it would effect them! then they managed to get it changed to suit there disiplines?
     
  12. milanuk

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    We (the US teams) got a small taste of that - the HME bit came as kind of a shocker a year or so back whenever the change was, and we were starting to gear up for the 2009 FCWC @ Bisley. IIRC from the paperwork they sent us, there was some nonsense about having to be certified by a special HME-qualified Range Officer each time, or before the start of a competition if it was a multi-day event - sounded like a massive PITA and waste of ammunition, for sure. It was somewhere in the competitor packet that I got from them - along with the new MoD requirement as of Jan 1, 2009 that we have to have a 'certificate of competency' from a club president or other similar individual stating that we understand which end the boolits come out of, and have zeroes for our guns at the various yardages - kind of insulting when you're preparing to travel to represent your country in a world long-range rifle championship, but then I figure its more governmental B.S., just like we have here.