savage long range hunter sighting problems.

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Angus, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. Angus

    Angus Member

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    I got my 6.5x284. I had the scope mounted and bore sighted at the store. I loaded some 142 smk's with 47 grains of imr 4831. I started at 100 yards and it wasn't on paper. I moved up to 50 still wasn't on paper. I moved to 25 and still couldn't hit paper. I brought it home and used a bore sighter a friend gave me to try and it was about 2 feet high and four inches left. Now, I don't have enough down adjustment to get it below 3" high at 100 yards. When I got it the lady only had bases for a savage 110, but not 111. They fit, so she thought they would work. Besides being way off, could that be the problem with not enough adjustment? Sorry, new guy question.
     
  2. Camshaft

    Camshaft Well-Known Member

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    Try bedding your scope base and lapping the rings. What rings and bases are you using? The 110 and 111 are the same action, just different models. Any savage 110-116 will use the same base, they are all long actions, except some of the older ones. Same thing with the model 10-16.
     

  3. texan79

    texan79 Well-Known Member

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    Never let the guy at the sporting goods counter mount and bore sight your scopes. Leupold bases and rings never gave me a hassle, but you may want to get a 20 MOA rail and rings to match.
     
  4. Angus

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    I tried two different bushnell 4200 elites. The one they mounted and I tried mounting another one I had and ran out of adjustment at the same place. Actually I forgot that one square on the bore sighter was 4", so I am about a foot high. I also tried an old guide gear scope I had and ran out of adjustment too.

    The bases look like they fit correctly Everything seems flush, etc. I am not too experienced myself, so I might not know what I am looking at. Though it seems pretty straight forward to me.
     
  5. silvertip-co

    silvertip-co Well-Known Member

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    Shim your rear scope base only. 2x thickness of a empty Coke can will be perfect. Good luck.
     
  6. cornstalker

    cornstalker Well-Known Member

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    That is very strange. I used a one piece Weaver base and Burris Signature Zee rings on my 111 LRH in 6.5x284 and it worked out great.

    Can you post any pics of the setup?
     
  7. Angus

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    Well, my heart is back where it is supposed to be. I don't know exactly what was wrong, but I took the bases and rings off and messed with everything. I put it back together myself and it seems to look fine on the bore sighter now. Like an above poster said I shouldn't trust somebody at a store to do it. That is the hard part. If I don't consider myself an expert I tend to put my trust in somebody else and it is surprising how many times it doesn't work out. I guess like my old boss said, "You just have to give it hell and see what happens."
     
  8. Jinx-)

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    set target 25 yards (3" circle would be nice), place you rifle in gun vise or shooting rest, remove bolt look through bore so you can see your target, then look through scope, adjust your scope to the target, make sure target is visible through bore and your scope.
     
  9. rscott5028

    rscott5028 Well-Known Member

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    +1

    You have a nice rifle. So, you might as well do it right.

    Get an EGW 20MOA rail and a pair of Burris Xtreme tactical rings.

    Mount the base as instructed here: http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f37/securing-bases-73557/

    Mount the scope with a comfortable eye relief for your favorite shooting position.

    Aim at a blank sky (or cover the objective lens with a white handkerchief) with parallax set to infinity and focus the cross hairs using the diopter and lock it down. Look away, blink, and check it again to be sure. Don't look at the sun.

    Place your rifle on the bench with bags firmly supporting it and adjust the parallax such that moving your head side to side or up and down doesn't move the cross hairs on the target.

    Remove the bolt and bag the rifle up firmly with the target at 100 yds centered in the bore as you look through the barrel from behind. Move the cross-hairs using the turrets until they too are centered on the target. Check the bore again and then the scope to be sure that the rifle didn't move while you were adjusting it.

    When they are both lined up, fire away. Your first shot will get you on paper, and with a good scope, you should be able to correct for the amount of windage and elevation needed to put the second bullet exactly where you want it.

    If you put rails on all your rifles, it'll be a cinch to swap scopes and re-zero.

    Let us know how the load workup goes.

    Happy hunting!!
    -- richard
     
  10. Angus

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    Wow, thanks guys. I have learned a just reading here, but I really appreciate the help. Sometimes, a good mentor is hard to come by.
     
  11. Dammit

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    I had a the same issue with my LRH 111 in 300WM
    Installed my bases and scope, bore sighted, took it down the range and it wasn’t on paper at 50 meters
    Using a spotter to spot my shots in the dirt got it on paper with about 6 clicks left in windage on the scope
    Having a close look at the bases trying to sort out what’s going on noticed that the muzzle brake looked a little on the piss
    Took the gun back to the supplier who had a good look down muzzle with a little torch said he could see where the projectiles had been hitting the side of the brake causing the shots to fly way right
    Still waiting to hear back from Savage on what they are going to do about it
     
  12. curiousaussie

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    Wasn't a tapered base facing the wrong way by any chance?

    Matt
     
  13. midwesthunter

    midwesthunter Well-Known Member

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    Can the base be installed backwards?
     
  14. Angus

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    I took everything apart and tried to rearrange it several different ways. There was only one way the bases would fit, so I put it back together like it was. I was careful to tighten everything evenly and put it back on the bore sighter. It looks good anyway. I have to go shoot it again to know for sure. I think either something wasn't tight and I didn't catch it or she didn't tighten the screws evenly. Otherwise, I still don't quite understand, but it looks good now.