quietest muzzle break out there

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by bowhunter1001, Sep 14, 2008.

  1. bowhunter1001

    bowhunter1001 Member

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    I have a 300 Rem. Ultra Mag. I would like to reduce the kick but with out all the noise. I know some breaks are not as effective but then not as loud, that is what I"m looking for. Any recommendations?
     

  2. royinidaho

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    I wouldn't recommend using any brake with out hearing protection for hunting or general shooting.

    The quietest brake is will cause you grief. You only have two ears and they work best together.

    If the noise is keep piece in the neighborhood fabrication of a "box" could be done.

    For LR ambush I keep a set of muffs with microphones handy. It helps with shooter-spotter communication.

    If its cold I wear them for walk and stalk.

    Usually for spot & stalk I use the orange sponge things on the plastic line as my carry gun is a braked 338 RUM.
     

  3. remingtonman_25_06

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    Vais is supposedly a quieter muzzle brake then Hollands and the like. However if you live in dirt or sand conditions and shoot prone, the holes all the way around VAIS will kick up dirt/sand and give you and your scope/rifle a nice bath every shot. Which woudl get very old real quick...

    Muzzle brakes are loud. Theres no way around it. If your going to get one, you might as well get the one that takes the most kick away as thats its primary purpose, which is why you want one. There all loud and your ears wont notice the difference of wahts louder or quieter anyways. They'll all ruin your hearing.

    I've shot quite a bit of times with no muffs or plugs from my 25-06 that had a holland style brake, and my 7 RM that has a Holland QD brake. I've also shot my 338 EDGE with DE brake a few times with no hearing protection. Sometimes you just dont have the time to put in muffs. I know I'll regret it later in life, but what can you do?? Cant let them wily coyotes get away and they dont stand there and wait for you to put in hearing protection, thats 99% how and why I shoot my rifles with brakes w/out protection. When I'm hunting I dont wear ear muffs, I like to hear my surroundings. When you shoot at an animal you dont notice it anyways...Untill a couple hours later or the next day LOL.
     
  4. LewisH

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    The quietest brake is the suppressor...widely used by hunters and riflemen in other countries, but expensive and difficult to get here in the good old USA.
     
  5. landcbeitner

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    I'd never used a brake untill a recent build in 7wsm. Curiosity got the best of me one day and decided to fire a round without hearing protection....ooops! :confused:
     
  6. MachV

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    I'm a cirtified member of the hold my beer and watch this club, lucky for me I quit drinkin before it kilt me!! Got the scares and that nasty ringing in my ears to prove it:(
    25-06 advise is sound and worth paying attention to!! You should ware hearing protection even without the brake on a 300 anything so as long as your gonna brake it do it right. Get one without holes in the bottom, just about any brake will work well with the powder capacity of the ultra's. One other thing worth concidering if you dont shoot it a whole lot is a better reciol pad, a good idea even if you do put on a brake.
     
  7. uncleB

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    What you are describing is known as an oxymoron "foolish, afigure of speach in which contradictory ideas or terms are combined" Webster's NWD
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    you are welcome
     
  8. AJ Peacock

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    One thing I've noticed is the larger the ports, the less sharp the sound is. Comparing my 338AM with very large slab ports to a vias braked 308 and the 308 has a much sharper sound, the 338AM has a bigger sound (kinda like a stick of dynamite going off in front of you :D).

    So, I don't think you will find a quiet brake, I'm convinced that the size and shape of the ports has a lot to do with the type of sound you get.

    AJ
     
  9. ss7mm

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    That's what I found when testing a QD and a Pain Killer on my 7mm AM. Different sound between the two. Any time I'm around a gun that's gonna go bang, I've got hearing protection on/in, even when hunting if at all possible.

    Wanting the quietest muzzle brake is like wanting the cheapest Indy 500 race car. You get what you pay for.:rolleyes:

    If I'm going to screw a brake on my barrel it's gonna be the one that gives me the most braking effect possible.
     
  10. Fiftydriver

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    As already mentioned, all brakes will increase what we as shooters experience as muzzle blast intensity simply because the muzzle gas is redirected closer to the area we are at when the firearm is fired.

    If you want a brake, great but realize your going to have to deal with increased muzzle blast. If that is something you do not want to do, then you can add weight to your rifle to retard the recoil, use a better recoil pad or just live with it.

    Also, as mentioned, a suppressor is the quietest means of reducing felt recoil. I have heard there are some out there that are as good as the better muzzle brakes at reducing felt recoil. I have shot some of the better ones and have not been impressed. Quiet, yes, reduce recoil, not so much....... Especially on the larger chamberings.

    If your going to deal with the issues of a muzzle brake, why not get the most benefits of a brake. I hear this all the time, I want the quietest brake possible. My reply to them is do you want to control recoil or not???? If your going to invest the money and live with the issues a brake imposes on you and those around you, you may as well get the best return for your money in my way of thinking.

    As far as what makes a muzzle brake loud or really loud??? That depends on many things.

    1. The individual. I have had some customers say that a Holland QD brake put them on their knees when they shot their rifle without ear plugs. Other tell me that when they shoot at big game, they still never hear the brake, this is where I generally fall as well. So it really depends on the person, some are REALLY effected by a brake and others are not. Only one way to find out..... I always recommend hearing protection when using one however if at all possible.

    2. Muzzle gas pressure. If your shooting a 308 in a 26" barrel compared to a 7mm Allen Magnum in even a 30" barrel, the big 7mm will have dramatically higher muzzle pressure then the 308. As a result, the muzzle blast will be more intensive with brake on or not.

    3. caliber and velocity of the chambering. Some may say this is a load of crap but if you take a 7mm RUM and load it with a 140 gr Accubond to 3500 fps and then take a 375 RUM and load it with a 300 gr to 2850 fps, the 7mm always seems to be harder on the ears to me then the larger chambering. Again, goes back to expansion ratios and muzzle pressure levels.

    SO what makes a brake louder or quieter then another brake. Generally, angle of ports and the velocity at which the muzzle gas is vented from the brakes in my testing.

    With my line of Painkiller muzzle brakes, I used an aggressive 30 degree back angle on the ports but I Also made the ports with a high volume and large baring surface. This does a couple things. The back angle and large surface area really promotes recoil reduction. The high volume ports reduces gas velocity. In the end, you get high recoil control but also in a manner that is not as sharp as far as muzzle blast as other paritition style muzzle brakes.

    Simply put, if your going to live with a muzzle brake, why not get one that will do what its designed to do, reduce recoil. Then protect your self from the issues of any muzzle brake.
     
  11. bowhunter1001

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    Thanks everyone for the input...I took some heat on this question and I think some of you missed the fact I don't need great recoil reduction. I can take the hit but time after time on the range gets tuff. I also refuse to believe that all muzzle breaks creat the same amount of noise. I have decided to go with a removable muzzle break. That way I don't add weight (like a mercury plug) yet I don't take the bang at the range and I won't have to use ear plugs while hunting.

    thanks again and happy hunting!!! :D
     
  12. AJ Peacock

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    Any easier way to tame recoil at the range, is to simply place a bag of shot between you and your rifle, or use a lead sled rest.

    AJ
     
  13. BountyHunter

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    shooting and tuning with a brake and then taking it off to hunt is counterproductive. Totally different tunes and expect groups to change and POI to shift.

    The 1K BR bunch runs into this all the time with the LG with brake and then taking the brake off and shooting the LG in HG class.

    BH
     
  14. new shooter

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    Kirby do i get the new painkiller muzzle brake on my 338 ax? I hope.