alright i will be doing lots of target shooting. can't see myself going deer hunting or elk or anything just be more of a varmint \ target rifle. now when i say long range, for me if i could have like 6" group at 500 yards id be quite happy with that. and with my lower budget i hope its within reach. one of my options is the Remington VS SF in a .223 cal, with a cheap cabalas 6-18 power scope with the BDC Turrets. (i went with a cheaper scope and bought a range finder and a spotting scope) other option is a Remington 700 Varmint in a .308 cal, i have a Nikon Monarch 4-12 power scope i could put on it. but am unsure if the 12 power would be enough for what im hoping to do. now i like the .308 cal for the harder hit, but the .223 is substantially cheaper to shoot and my gf could shoot it much easier than the .308 ( shes 100 lbs ) local store wants $1000 for the VS SF (which they say is a really good deal) or $719 for the Remington 700 Varmit, EDIT: ive been reading for a while now and it looks as though i will be hand loading. so keeping that in mind i think that cabelas scope i got it junk because i think i would wanna shoot a 69 gr .223. if im reloading my own, should i go .223 or .308?