loading tuips for TSX bullets

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  1. Pete L

    Pete L Well-Known Member

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    I ahve just loade some 140gr Barnes TSX in my 7mm wsm starting 30 thou off the lands and gone back to 50 the accuracy is poor considering these bullets are suspose to be really accurate,Iam trying again 60 thou back and then 70 according to Barnes the bullets should shoot between 30 and 70 thou off the lands,Iam using 70 gr of Vit 165
    anyone else had experience with thes bullets
     
  2. Dan B

    Dan B Well-Known Member

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    What range are you shooting?? I loaded them in a .300RUM and at short range they did not impress me but when stretching to 300 and beyond the groups were the same as at 100yds...typically 1.5". Then at 500yds they opened up to about 2.5".

    Just loaded some for a 338-378 and hope to test shoot this week.
     
  3. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    Two things to consider:

    All Barnes copper bullets need a squeeky clean barrel to start with. There shouldn't be a trace of fouling from other bullets in the bore.

    I noticed that, often, the Barnes bullets do not shoot at their best when using the slowest powders listed in the books. Try using a faster (or just different) powder.
     
  4. remingtonman_25_06

    remingtonman_25_06 Well-Known Member

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    Id keep them next to your door and throw them at cats or something. +1 to what Varmint Hunter said about having a squeaky clean barrel. I tried Barnes XLC in 4 different rifles and all I did was spend a lot of money on bullets to be tested. They shot like shotgun patterns at 100 yards. I wont ever use another Barnes X whatever. And I know how to load accurate ammo and shoot decent as well. I followed all the written guidelines in all 4 rifles with the same results. Crappy!!
     
  5. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    remingtonman_25_06,
    Barnes XLC and <font color="blue">Barnes TSX </font> are different bullets. I know you know that! When I tried the Barnes TSX in my 300 RUM Remington LSS, this was my first group with 180 gr. 3 shots group at 100 yards.

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    I was being able to keep the group most of the time within 0.6 of an inch. You should try them! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
     
  6. Pete L

    Pete L Well-Known Member

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    [ QUOTE ]
    remingtonman_25_06,
    Barnes XLC and <font color="blue">Barnes TSX </font> are different bullets. I know you know that! When I tried the Barnes TSX in my 300 RUM Remington LSS, this was my first group with 180 gr. 3 shots group at 100 yards.

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    I was being able to keep the group most of the time within 0.6 of an inch. You should try them! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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    very nice group did you load them according to there suggested 30 to 70 thou off the lands
     
  7. wadevb1

    wadevb1 Well-Known Member

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    Saturday morning I loaded six rounds for my .300 win mag. After my fouler I shot a three round group which will measure in the .3's.(100yds) My load consisted of 77 grains of RL22 with the TSX seated .50 off the lands. My only problem was pressure signs two grains below max. I didn't shoot the remaining rounds due to sticky bolt lift.

    Last year, I shot a WT at 300 yards with the TSX in my 7STW. There was no exit and I failed to recover the round, but I was impressed with its performance.
     
  8. remingtonman_25_06

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    My dad shot a forked horn muley buck at around 100 yards with the 165g XLC out of his 300 win. We found the bullet on the offside hide, it lost 3 of the 4 petals and didn't exit, at 100 yards!? I know the TSX's are different then XLC"s but there still a BARNES X bullet of the sort. I dont know, I"ve actually pondered the idea of trying the TSX's, but there so damn expensive, "just to try." I have read a lot of better things on the TSX's to where there more consistent, but I still dont know about them. I worked up a load with IMR-4831 and the 100g xlc out of my first 25-06 I owned. It shot right around .45" at 100 yards. Went home that night, loaded the rest up exactly how they were before, went out and sighted them in and they were once again patterning at 100 yards instead of grouping. I had it after that point. Just couldn't figure out what the heck was going on. I did however bust a muley buck with that 100g xlc about 150 yarsd out. Bullet impacted front shoulder, hit the offside shoulder, and exited leaving the biggest hole in any deer I've shot to date. I'll try to dig around for the pic if anyone wants to see it. I'll also try to dig around and find that pic of the 165g xlc that was recovered with only 1 petal.
     
  9. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    Ackley,
    yes, I went smack center, 0.050" off the lands.
     
  10. keithcandler

    keithcandler Well-Known Member

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    We shoot the 140g XXX in our 7 Mags. Guns will vary in what they like from .030-.050 off the lands. You really have to have a good cleaning regiment when shooting solid copper bullets, but I do feel as if the XXX bullets foul much less than the regular Barnes X bullets. We get great accuracy out of the bullets and they tear the heck out of deer. When impact velocity is over 3100 fps, we have found the petals in the deer. The deer usually have massive damage on the surface and complete pass throughs on the cores. We have intentionally shot through brush to see how they deflect (we have a limit of 12 deer per year), and the Barnes bullets deflect less than anything we have ever tried. The XXX bullet has about 1/2 the copper of a Swift bullet for sure.

    You only listed one powder charge that you had tried and were playing with seating depth. If it were me, I would start off by seating the bullet .050 off the lands and play with the powder charge to see what worked the best. The rifle many not even like that brand of powder. Once you have the best powder charge, then play with seating depth.

    Good luck!
     
  11. Nomosendero

    Nomosendero Well-Known Member

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    To me the TSX &amp; XLC is the diff. of daylight &amp; dark. I had given up on X bullets &amp; XLC, but decided to try the TSX &amp;
    be satisfied that I tried them all &amp; be done with Barnes forever. Well, the TSX gave me extreme accuracy &amp; great terminal effect. As far as I am concerned, the old X &amp; XLC
    performance have NOTHING to do with the TSX except they are made by the same company, yea the Corvair &amp; the Z71 are both Chevys too.
     
  12. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    Exactly Right! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
     
  13. Thor

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    Re: loading tips for TSX bullets

    I'm new to the forum but have been working up a load for the 140 TSX in 7mm Rem Mag. I agree with the suggestion to try different powders at a set seating depth (I chose 0.050") to find the powder and charge weight that gives the best overall groups. Only after I had that determined would I start playing with seating depth. In my case 73.1 gr of H-1000 produces 3115 fps and 0.75" 5 shot groups at 100 yards, seated 0.050" off lands in my 7 RM A-Bolt. I haven't played with seating depth yet. Will do that this weekend. Also gonna start load development for 160 AccuBonds. Good luck
     
  14. Maine Woods

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    Re: loading tips for TSX bullets

    I can only speak about TSX preformance on game, and only on African plains game. Kudu 125 yards 1 shot bullet recovered looked like the advertisement. 2 Impala 1 shot each pass through 1@ 170 yards 1@ 70 yards. Wlidebeest 75-80 yards 1 shot pass through ( PH was very suprised and impressed by pass through )Zebra 90 yards 2 shots one pass through and a second shot at 65 yards from behind, back legs down up on front through spine into lung heart part of chest bullet not recovered. rifle model 70 26" barrel 1-10 twist 30-06 ammo Federal factory loads 180 Gr. shoot just under ( sometimes over /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif)MOA out to 200 yards. I am trying to say I think it is a GREAT game bullet.