yobuck
Well-Known Member
Well first off, I don't believe i ever said scope levels weren't any good. I simply said/meant, they aren't necessary in order to hunt L/R (Successfully).
And beyond that i said I don't know anybody among the many l/r hunters i know who use them.
My advice for a beginner would be to go shoot without one first, and see how you make out.
As for installing a scope (properly), Ive never used a level for that either.
I assume, our kitchen table is at least almost level, although to be perfectly honest I don't know for absolutely sure.
Anyway i sit the gun on the table as level as i can, open the side door, and line up the vertical cross hair with the corner of the garage which is about 75' away.
Now again, being perfectly honest about it, Ive never checked that corner for being perfectly plumb either.
While im at it, and while the gun is pointed at the garage, i usually bore site the scope by using the door knob on the garage door.
Now that's just me, and the very informal way i go about doing most things.
I do read of coarse, and i do pay attention to what's being said by others as to how to go about things. And over the last maybe 10 to 15 years I've noticed things are changing.
I think it all correlates around internet use by more and more people. And more and more entrepanours wanting a seat on the L/R bandwagon that actually left the station before many of them were born. But again, that's just me.
But i did have an oppurtunity about 6/7 years ago to watch a person I've known for a long time and do consider to be a real pro install a scope.
The guys name is Bruce Baer, who many here will recognize as being a top shelf gun builder of long standing. He is also a very experienced long range hunter.
Anyway he had rebarreled one of my guns, and while he had it
I had decided to change out my old target scope for a new Nightforce. He had the base installed when i arrived to pick up the gun, but he hadn't as yet installed the scope.
He has a room on the end of his shop with a very sturdy bench he shoots from by just opening a window.
I recall him having target setups to about 500 yds for testing guns.
Anyway he took my gun in there and sat it on the bench, placed the scope in the rings and just snugged them up a little.
He then looked into the scope and moved it some to suit him while lining it up on a target frame post.
Then he told me to sit behind the gun and look thru the scope.
How does that look to you? Well I'm a lefty and he's a righty so i had him move the scope slightly. That OK? Yep that's OK, so he took a plain old screwdriver and tightened it down hard.
Next thing he did was to use a spoon and a trickier to load a few rounds for testing. When i questioned why not use the RCBS power powder measure or one of the others he had, he said the power unit wasn't accurate enough for the big charges, and its just faster for just a few rounds to do it the way he did.
I mean how basic does it get, but for me at least it was a refreshing thing to witness.
Only thing better might be a brand new late 50s Jeep station wagon. Lol
As for the gun, it's a 338 in which i use 137 gr of H50 BMG with a 300 gr SMK.
I have shot it out to a mile a few times at rocks and the scope tracks very well.
What's to argue about that?
Sorry for the long post.
And beyond that i said I don't know anybody among the many l/r hunters i know who use them.
My advice for a beginner would be to go shoot without one first, and see how you make out.
As for installing a scope (properly), Ive never used a level for that either.
I assume, our kitchen table is at least almost level, although to be perfectly honest I don't know for absolutely sure.
Anyway i sit the gun on the table as level as i can, open the side door, and line up the vertical cross hair with the corner of the garage which is about 75' away.
Now again, being perfectly honest about it, Ive never checked that corner for being perfectly plumb either.
While im at it, and while the gun is pointed at the garage, i usually bore site the scope by using the door knob on the garage door.
Now that's just me, and the very informal way i go about doing most things.
I do read of coarse, and i do pay attention to what's being said by others as to how to go about things. And over the last maybe 10 to 15 years I've noticed things are changing.
I think it all correlates around internet use by more and more people. And more and more entrepanours wanting a seat on the L/R bandwagon that actually left the station before many of them were born. But again, that's just me.
But i did have an oppurtunity about 6/7 years ago to watch a person I've known for a long time and do consider to be a real pro install a scope.
The guys name is Bruce Baer, who many here will recognize as being a top shelf gun builder of long standing. He is also a very experienced long range hunter.
Anyway he had rebarreled one of my guns, and while he had it
I had decided to change out my old target scope for a new Nightforce. He had the base installed when i arrived to pick up the gun, but he hadn't as yet installed the scope.
He has a room on the end of his shop with a very sturdy bench he shoots from by just opening a window.
I recall him having target setups to about 500 yds for testing guns.
Anyway he took my gun in there and sat it on the bench, placed the scope in the rings and just snugged them up a little.
He then looked into the scope and moved it some to suit him while lining it up on a target frame post.
Then he told me to sit behind the gun and look thru the scope.
How does that look to you? Well I'm a lefty and he's a righty so i had him move the scope slightly. That OK? Yep that's OK, so he took a plain old screwdriver and tightened it down hard.
Next thing he did was to use a spoon and a trickier to load a few rounds for testing. When i questioned why not use the RCBS power powder measure or one of the others he had, he said the power unit wasn't accurate enough for the big charges, and its just faster for just a few rounds to do it the way he did.
I mean how basic does it get, but for me at least it was a refreshing thing to witness.
Only thing better might be a brand new late 50s Jeep station wagon. Lol
As for the gun, it's a 338 in which i use 137 gr of H50 BMG with a 300 gr SMK.
I have shot it out to a mile a few times at rocks and the scope tracks very well.
What's to argue about that?
Sorry for the long post.
I worked construction to put me thru college and even the old guys that said "I dont need a level" used one. Glad your edge is working out.
