High BC Hunting Bullets

[DocUSMCRetired]

Hey Doc...
A little off topic but still Berger related.
I sent a email to Berger Tech support a week ago about load data for the 130 AR Match Hybrid for 6.5 Creedmoor.
They haven't got back to me, I'm wondering if I have a bad link, or you guys are just really busy.
Thanks

Varget, 4166, H4350, N550 should all work.

H4350 +/- 40 gr
N550 +/- 40 gr
4451 +/- 40 gr

Varget&4166 will be the exception here, but you should see a trend . Varget and 4166 are nearly identical, and load the same.

I don't know your reloading practice, or chamber so these are semi safe numbers. I tended to run more powder, but I was using fire formed brass and loading long.

 

[gohring3006]

Varget, 4166, H4350, N550 should all work.

H4350 +/- 40 gr
N550 +/- 40 gr
4451 +/- 40 gr

Varget&4166 will be the exception here, but you should see a trend . Varget and 4166 are nearly identical, and load the same.

I don't know your reloading practice, or chamber so these are semi safe numbers. I tended to run more powder, but I was using fire formed brass and loading long.

Thanks, I am loading 4451 in particular...
Thank you very much!!

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Thanks, I am loading 4451 in particular...
Thank you very much!!

4451 seems to be a clone of H4350. The Enduron powders are Canadian versions of the classic H. Extremes. They load very similar, and have very similar temp sensitivity properties. I have had nothing but good luck with 4451 and 4166.

 

[gohring3006]

4451 seems to be a clone of H4350. The Enduron powders are Canadian versions of the classic H. Extremes. They load very similar, and have very similar temp sensitivity properties. I have had nothing but good luck with 4451 and 4166.

That's good news, I'm having a hard time locally finding enough H4350 to justify doing a work up with the 500 130 ARs I have.
I tried IMR 4350 and ES was huge with a pretty significant velocity change from 80 degrees to 50 degrees, so it's out.
The weird part is.... I have a 7 mag load with IMR 4350 and the ES and velocity hasn't change much in that temp swing..

 

[LongWalker]

Any guess as to when these will be available for purchase? My pet .308 load now is with the 185gr Juggernaut and have be really looking forward to developing a hunting load that will be really close to it.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Any guess as to when these will be available for purchase? My pet .308 load now is with the 185gr Juggernaut and have be really looking forward to developing a hunting load that will be really close to it.

Why not right now?

140 - 6.5mm 140gr Elite Hunter Bullets, Box of 100 | Bullets.com

175 - 7mm 175gr Elite Hunter Bullets, Box of 100 | Bullets.com

180 - 30 Cal 180gr Elite Hunter Bullets, Box of 100 | Bullets.com

or here - https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=Berger+Elite+Hunter

and other places as well.

 

[LongWalker]

Why not right now?

140 - 6.5mm 140gr Elite Hunter Bullets, Box of 100 | Bullets.com

175 - 7mm 175gr Elite Hunter Bullets, Box of 100 | Bullets.com

180 - 30 Cal 180gr Elite Hunter Bullets, Box of 100 | Bullets.com

or here - https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=Berger+Elite+Hunter

and other places as well.

Wow that's service! My google fu skills were letting me down. Thank you sir and I have a box on the way!

 

[Buck300]

I picked up 200 .277 cal. 170 gr Elites for $35 per 100. It states on the box 1:8.3 twist.
I hope Berger will start making a 165 gr Classic hunter for the 270 since Matrix sold the company and took the 270 cal dies with him we cant get any .277 cal. bullets any more.

 

[Idaho5r]

Hi everyone, I just received a box of the new 30 caliber 180 gr Elite Hunter bullets. The box states "Optimal twist rate 1:8"! The marketing ad stated 1:11.... I'm hoping to get decent results out of my 1:11.25" 308 winchester, & my 1:10" 300 Win Mag! Maybe I should have went with the Classic Hunters instead. I'll be loading & trying things out before too long. Hope to hear from others here with their results of these new bullets. Idaho-5R

 

[Michael Eichele]

Hi everyone, I just received a box of the new 30 caliber 180 gr Elite Hunter bullets. The box states "Optimal twist rate 1:8"! The marketing ad stated 1:11.... I'm hoping to get decent results out of my 1:11.25" 308 winchester, & my 1:10" 300 Win Mag! Maybe I should have went with the Classic Hunters instead. I'll be loading & trying things out before too long. Hope to hear from others here with their results of these new bullets. Idaho-5R

I'm sure that 8x for any lead core 180 grain 30 cal bullet is way beyond what is optimum. I'm guessing that it is a mistake. 11.25 will handle any jacketed lead 180 grain bullet with ease. Tighter might be optimum for maximum BC but 11.25 is more than adequate for good performance.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Hi everyone, I just received a box of the new 30 caliber 180 gr Elite Hunter bullets. The box states "Optimal twist rate 1:8"! The marketing ad stated 1:11.... I'm hoping to get decent results out of my 1:11.25" 308 winchester, & my 1:10" 300 Win Mag! Maybe I should have went with the Classic Hunters instead. I'll be loading & trying things out before too long. Hope to hear from others here with their results of these new bullets. Idaho-5R

Optimal is 1 in 11 that is an error. Can you please send me an image of the box with the wrong twist rate on it? To [email protected]

 

[Michael Eichele]

Optimal is 1 in 11 that is an error. Can you please send me an image of the box with the wrong twist rate on it? To [email protected]

The midway USA website also shows 8x.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

The midway USA website also shows 8x.

I passed it along, thank you.

 

[LR3]

Any update on a hybrid like the .338 but in .375? I cannot get hold of .375 SMK s which have worked great for both ELR and hunting. I have boxes of .338 hybrids for those rifles.