I have been very open with the fact that there seems to be lots of voodoo that goes on in the ballistics world but the one thing that seems to be written in stone was how VLD's needed to be stuffed into the riflings to get them to shoot. Well, I guess I need to chisel that out of the stone. I have just completed load development 4 rifles that favored VLD's over any other bullet and two of the 4 shot fine jumping .100" or more to the lands although they shot better closer to the lands loaded single shot but the other two guns ACTUALLY PREFERRED to jump over .100" to shoot well! So, while the vast majority of the guns I've seen liked to be jammed, I can't say anymore that VLD's won't shoot if they're not jammed. There are a few that break the rules!!